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re: The state of Western Civilization update (Modern Art)
Posted on 4/21/23 at 8:51 pm to Bard
Posted on 4/21/23 at 8:51 pm to Bard
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I think most are along those lines. The problem is that the movement has moved well beyond that to the demand for things like "deadnaming" or "mis-gendering" be considered crimes (hate crimes) and to push this onto children (even going so far as for insane parents pushing their kids into saying/thinking they are trans).
I don’t think deadnaming and misgendering people should be a crime, but I do think that people that insist on doing are assholes.
The parents that are basically forcing their children into transgendered states of being are not mentally well. Unfortunately, there are a lot of unfit parents teaching their children all sorts of horrible things. To deal with that would require pretty invasive processes into parent/child relationships.
I think a lot of the transgender fad is fed by the constant attention to it that conservatives are giving. It’s one segment of this generation’s version of rebellion, and it spreads as much or more from the negative attention you guys are giving, compared to any specific proponent’s agenda.
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Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:10 pm to HVAU
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That was actually done to a lot of Greek sculpture by later inhabitants of the area. Defacing art has been a staple of the puritanical for centuries as well.
We get it. You like ladyboys.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:15 pm to Tantal
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We get it. You like ladyboys.
Sure buddy.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:18 pm to HVAU
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One specifically is from Rome
Is this supposed to be some form of gotcha? You are proving the OP’s point. The statue he posted is an indicator that Western society is declining, sort of like The.Fall.Of.Rome.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:21 pm to burger bearcat
I'm surprised the child was not placed lower to suckle.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:22 pm to BigTigerJoe
quote:No need to bring the Bidens into this.
I'm surprised the child was not placed lower to suckle.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:28 pm to HVAU
Please change your avatar to aTm
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:34 pm to HVAU
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No more than other art. It’s curious and thought provoking, but if you’re going to museums to find subjects that arouse that’s your deal.
And what was the meaning behind the art you posted? Was it purely political like the art in the op?
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:39 pm to HVAU
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think a lot of the transgender fad is fed by the constant attention to it that conservatives are giving. It’s one segment of this generation’s version of rebellion, and it spreads as much or more from the negative attention you guys are giving, compared to any specific proponent’s agenda.
It’s literally forced into every facet of modern American culture. The idea that it’s only getting attention because of conservative backlash is completely absurd. Teachers from k through universities are indoctrinating children with it every day.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:49 pm to upgrayedd
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And what was the meaning behind the art you posted? Was it purely political like the art in the op?
Well I wasn’t around at the time of its creation. I imagine there was some intent to be provocative.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:54 pm to burger bearcat
The Art of antiquity bears witness that Transexual stuff was the cultural norm before Judeo Christian ideology (Jesus) condemned it, drove it out of the mainstream and into the dark fringes of society. Children played a big role as well, sacrificial in nature. Very ugly stuff.
And the reason for the return of this pernicious culture is laid out in Johnathan Cahn's Book "The Return of the Gods". This is far more than mere mass psychoses and virtue signaling by 'progressive' ideologues who think themselves morally superior...it is Spiritual and Demonic, and the power of these Spiritual Entities which now are infecting the masses is far more than that of those who argue against them and sound the alarm.
Read the Book and know where this goes. It's unstoppable, and will get a lot worse. A lot. The Demon Gods are pissed at those who will not bow. Christians at the fore.
And the reason for the return of this pernicious culture is laid out in Johnathan Cahn's Book "The Return of the Gods". This is far more than mere mass psychoses and virtue signaling by 'progressive' ideologues who think themselves morally superior...it is Spiritual and Demonic, and the power of these Spiritual Entities which now are infecting the masses is far more than that of those who argue against them and sound the alarm.
Read the Book and know where this goes. It's unstoppable, and will get a lot worse. A lot. The Demon Gods are pissed at those who will not bow. Christians at the fore.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:54 pm to HVAU
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Well I wasn’t around at the time of its creation. I imagine there was some intent to be provocative
Ok, so you don't know. That's what we thought
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:55 pm to upgrayedd
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It’s literally forced into every facet of modern American culture. The idea that it’s only getting attention because of conservative backlash is completely absurd. Teachers from k through universities are indoctrinating children with it every day.
It’s presenting in various forms of culture because it’s provocative and rebellious, as are many forms of art. I would imagine it would be less provocative if you guys would stop constantly taking the bait and being provoked.
Instead, every conservative forum that I visit is inundated with this stuff. You guys are probably talking about transgender issues more than people in that community.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:59 pm to HVAU
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It’s presenting in various forms of culture because it’s provocative and rebellious, as are many forms of art. I would imagine it would be less provocative if you guys would stop constantly taking the bait and being provoked.
Yes, it's so rebellious that it's embraced by every major corporation and institution in the West.
It's prevalent because it gives people power and privilege over others through a bizarre combination of hero status and victimhood.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:00 pm to BobABooey
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Is this supposed to be some form of gotcha? You are proving the OP’s point. The statue he posted is an indicator that Western society is declining, sort of like The.Fall.Of.Rome.
No it’s not a gotcha. It’s just pointing out that similar forms of art have existed throughout history.
You could point to Rome or Berlin in the Weimar Republic, or probably some other cultures. I’d point to the fact the downfall of many of those empires/countries had less to do with sexual promiscuity and more to do with factors like over extension of political capacity or the rise of authoritarianism supplanting liberal societies.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:01 pm to HVAU
derp...shopped
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:07 pm to RCDfan1950
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The Art of antiquity bears witness that Transexual stuff was the cultural norm before Judeo Christian ideology (Jesus) condemned it, drove it out of the mainstream and into the dark fringes of society. Children played a big role as well, sacrificial in nature. Very ugly stuff. And the reason for the return of this pernicious culture is laid out in Johnathan Cahn's Book "The Return of the Gods". This is far more than mere mass psychoses and virtue signaling by 'progressive' ideologues who think themselves morally superior...it is Spiritual and Demonic, and the power of these Spiritual Entities which now are infecting the masses is far more than that of those who argue against them and sound the alarm. Read the Book and know where this goes. It's unstoppable, and will get a lot worse. A lot. The Demon Gods are pissed at those who will not bow. Christians at the fore.
Yes. I’m very concerned about the demons, lizard people, the Draco invasion, Nibiru, the Sasquatch invasion, etc.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:08 pm to rphtx
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derp...shopped
Hit up the Louvre next time your in Paris.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:14 pm to HVAU
Read the Book, HV...you like history, art and sociology. Spirituality is the essence of all three of those. And if there is ultimate Spirituality - as the Art of antiquity affirmed re the ceremonies and practices therein (documented in the Book) - you should find it interesting and stimulating.
I would like to hear your critique of said Book.
I would like to hear your critique of said Book.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 10:15 pm to upgrayedd
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Yes, it's so rebellious that it's embraced by every major corporation and institution in the West. It's prevalent because it gives people power and privilege over others through a bizarre combination of hero status and victimhood.
I’ll cede your first point. Many corporations have latched on, but that has more to do with consumer demographics. Most companies are marketing not to older, more conservative positions, but to younger, less conservatives populations, the supposed rebels. Marketing to youth has been pretty entrenched since the 80s, at least.
I also agree about the allure of victimhood is a driver. It makes people feel special. I think the MAGA base has a lot of psychological similarities to the TQ+, the victimhood, the desire to have a demagogue that makes them feel special, the penchant for boycotting brands that offend them (cancel culture), etc.
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