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re: The Shooters location compared to the entry wound
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:06 am to Mouth
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:06 am to Mouth
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agree with the ricochet theory. but this board posted a lot of pictures that makes it look he was not wearing one. I initially thought he was wearing armor, though.
lol the video you posted flipped me from not wearing a chest plate into definitely wearing a chest plate.
And the no exit wound theory too. Sad.
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Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:06 am to NC_Tigah
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Initially it appeared to be R=>L to me as well. But looking again, I'd guess the entry was L neck, with the projectile likely lodging against Cx vertebrae.
This holds weight as he was obviously dead or at least paralyzed immediately.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:08 am to IvoryBillMatt
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How can you reconcile the location of the wound with an undeflected shot from the reported shooter's location?
The bullet entered the front of his neck. You can't draw any conclusions from any of the video shown except that the shot originated from somewhere forward and likely left of Kirk's position as he faces. There's a 90* arc that bullet could have came from with exactly the same initial appearance. Some different camera angles that show an exit could be used to draw a narrow arc of shooter location but that does not exist as far as I am aware.
The man was shot in the neck with a large rifle from close range. There were no plates involved, there was no ricochet, nothing like that. It doesn't matter if it was a 110 grain or a 220 grain bullet. None of that matters. It was a direct impact in the neck with a high powered rifle from close range. Tremendous trauma, massive shock, lots of tissue destruction, likely a destroyed spinal column, and as nearly instant a death as imaginable.
This isn't directed at you in particular - I know it goes against the creed around here but when you have zero understanding of what happened, you should just accept what you're told happened unless somebody more intelligent explains otherwise.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:14 am to Errerrerrwere
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Ok thanks didn’t know when he broke it down.
I don't think he broke it down.
he was there earlier in the day wearing diff clothes. Walked right in front of the the same house you see him limping in front of later.
His limp is from the gun down the back of his pants. And you know that video is from before the shooting because of the time stamps. But when he was wearing shorts in the earlier video, no limp.
Post the video you say is of him walking across the street without a gun.
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:34 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
quote:My take as well
he was obviously dead or at least paralyzed immediately.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:36 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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This isn't directed at you in particular - I know it goes against the creed around here but when you have zero understanding of what happened, you should just accept what you're told happened unless somebody more intelligent explains otherwise.
The wound looked too large to be an ordinary entrance wound AND had it been a direct shot to that portion of the neck (soft tissue) the bullet would have exited directly out the back...there was no evidence of that exit.
I don't think this is a matter of intelligence. It's a matter of experience and knowledge. I think this video shows that in abundance and compels me. [There's a good follow up from the same presenter addressing the fact that you could see Charlie's nipple.]
Worth the 14 minutes if you have a chance:
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:40 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Some different camera angles that show an exit could be used to draw a narrow arc of shooter location but that does not exist as far as I am aware.
Hopefully the autopsy clears this up. If the bullet is still in Charlie, don't you think that makes it unlikely that he was shot directly in the side of the neck?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:40 am to Mouth
The head tilted to the right shoulder not because it got hit from the right but because the bullet hitting the left side severed muscles and ligaments on the left.
Its like cutting a taught rubber band that was keeping one side of the head stable.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:47 am to Mouth
I have the exact same question. That bullet was left to right from the viewers perspective.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:48 am to GumboPot
He clearly was not wearing armor.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:48 am to Timeoday
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My only thought was of an exit wound. Without, tells me the bone in that area was also impacted.
There's definitely an exit wound. Not even bone is stopping 30.06.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:54 am to Errerrerrwere
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Ok thanks didn’t know when he broke it down.
Again, the gun was never broken down. He snuck it in by stuffing it in his pants. After the shot he jumped off the building with the gun and wrapped in a towel.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:08 am to TigerBait1971
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chest plate
Not this shite again.
Initially, I displayed my ignorance about chest plates as well.....
After watching a podcast about this
topic, I was definitely wrong. There are chest plates that do not cover the nipples.
Also, there wasn't an exit wound. If there had been an exit wound there would have been blood and tissue splattered all over the backdrop and the security guy standing next to Charlie. An exit wound in the neck from a 30.06 would be huge.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:12 am to IvoryBillMatt
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f the bullet is still in Charlie, don't you think that makes it unlikely that he was shot directly in the side of the neck?
That would make it less likely but not conclusive. Bullets do lots of strange things after impact. I have seen them hit a deer's spine and then travel lengthways almost completely down it.
But, it doesn't really matter if the bullet directly hit him where the obvious entry hole was (it did) or if it hit the top of a rifle-rated chest plate (it didn't). The difference would be an inch or two of vertical and the firing angle would have been the same. The only difference is that if it were spalling or a fragment that hit him, the reaction would have likely been different. Spalling or fragments would not likely give the instant incapacitation like a direct hit from a high powered rifle at close range, which is what happened.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:25 am to jrodLSUke
This angle makes perfect sense. In the gruesome close up of the video, you can see his body immediately become paralyzed and go into Decorticate posturing that happens immediately upon sudden traumatic brain injury caused by the spine being severed. His arms go up, his fists clench, and his legs go from being open to immediately closing. Then a split second later the blood comes gushing out. That bullet pierced his spine and he died within a second or two from bleeding out. This could only happen if the bullet had hit his neck from the angle shown in this graphic.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:27 am to Mouth
This is why we need more explanation:
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This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:38 am to TDsngumbo
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This angle makes perfect sense.
Yep. I don't understand all the conspiracy theory stuff about the actual shot. That whole story tracks perfectly.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:39 am to GumboPot
How about you explain the question for us non-twitter users. I can't see that video whether I click on it or not.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:41 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Yep. I don't understand all the conspiracy theory stuff about the actual shot. That whole story tracks perfectly.
Agreed. People always want a deeper story/conspiracy when these things happen.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:45 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Bullets do lots of strange things after impact.
Agreed. Ultimately whether or not thus was a deflection from body armor doesn't really matter. Both would be consistent with a shot from the described location.
Cheers
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