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re: The Scientific Establishment Is Finally Starting To Take Intelligent Design Seriously
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:04 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:04 pm to NC_Tigah
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Now do ID.
Also has nothing to do with evolution, since it's an unscientific theological belief that's by definition not falsifiable.
It's cool if you think there's some invisible sky fairy that's directed the course of the development of life, but don't pretend like there's science behind your belief instead of faith. And stop trying to pretend like it should be taught alongside evolution - it shouldn't, obviously.
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Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:09 pm to thetempleowl
Not in the way you do concerning humans, no.
I don’t do sides by the way.
I don’t do sides by the way.
This post was edited on 5/19/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:13 pm to MNCTigah
quote:You refuse to even engage the origin of mass?
I'm in there. For a complete body wash...
But, but, but it's just a little white rabbit...
Run away!
Sounds like you chose well to run away, MNCTigah. Keep that in mind the next time you choose to engage from rote rather than rationale.
This post was edited on 5/19/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:16 pm to BamaAtl
quote:You have no clue as to WTF you're blabbering about.
Also has nothing to do with evolution, since it's an unscientific theological belief that's by definition not falsifiable.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:18 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Kinda like CRT.
it's an unscientific theological belief that's by definition not falsifiable.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:21 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
List some examples.
From the UCal Berkeley website on evolution:
"All life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother. "
That cannot be proven and it cannot be disproven. Sound familiar?
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:22 pm to NC_Tigah
As per your depiction of me... I'm "all ears."
Let's hear your ID argument...
Let's hear your ID argument...
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:26 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
From the UCal Berkeley website on evolution:
"All life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother. "
That cannot be proven and it cannot be disproven. Sound familiar?
EDIT: Quoted wrong person.
Horribly incorrect.
When the scientific community started counting the chromosome number of various species, we noticed that the great apes all had 48. But that posed a serious problem for the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection because we knew we only had 46 chromosomes. If both humans and the great apes evolved from the same common ancestor, we should have the same amount of chromosomes. Losing an entire pair would be lethal.
Since the three great apes all had 48, and we had 46, we were the odd person out and it was theorized that we had two chromosome pairs that merged, which would retain the overall genetic information of our species but account for the difference in chromosome count.
Guess what happened when we mapped the human genome?
This post was edited on 5/19/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:28 pm to MNCTigah
quote:It (ID) is absolutely a possibility. Does that render me one "of the religious ilk to justify a god by wrapping it in pseudo-science"?
Let's hear your ID argument...
This post was edited on 5/19/22 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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It (ID) is absolutely a possibility. Does that render me one "of the religious ilk to justify a god by wrapping it in pseudo-science"?
In a lot of their eyes, yes. Look at the thread title; it just talks about people taking it seriously. Not hawking it, not teaching it in schools, just taking it seriously. That offends people of a different religious nature.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:55 pm to Flats
Intelligent design is a new coat of paint for creationism, which itself is built on divine inspiration and supported by faith. It's in no way shape or form related to science in any way. It's, essentially, a conclusion looking for evidence.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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It (ID) is absolutely a possibility.
Presumptuous. And I'm being kind.
quote:
Does that render me one "of the religious ilk to justify a god by wrapping it in pseudo-science"?
Yep. By my definition, subject to scrutiny.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:03 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
We see bacteria evolve in real time.
No we don’t.
We see adaptation and mutation.
We have NEVER seen a bacteria (evolve). They are still bacteria after the mutation.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:10 pm to MNCTigah
quote:
Presumptuous. And I'm being kind.
As opposed to our entire reality being random? I think NC has a very broad interpretation of ID as do I. I think its possible that higher intelligences may seed life on other planets for instance. I would consider that a form of intelligent design and think its at least possible it happened on Earth.
This post was edited on 5/19/22 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:13 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I think its possible that higher intelligences may seed life on other planets for instance. I would consider that a form of intelligent design and think its at least possible it happened on Earth.
Wouldn't that sort of "intelligent design" be limited to the life that was seeded and not the life that evolved via natural selection over millions of years after?
It seems that possibility mostly targets abiogenesis and not evolution.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:22 pm to MNCTigah
quote:
Presumptuous. And I'm being kind.
Well, gosh! Then, I'll be kind right back.
quote:What is the chance that advanced extraterrestrial life exists in the universe?
Yep. By my definition, subject to scrutiny.
What is the chance that advanced life is a 'mere' two million years ahead of our own?
What do you think the chance is that in the next million years, we figure out interstellar travel?
Perhaps wormhole travel?
We already know how to do GOF genetic work. A million years from now, if we came across a planet of the apes, could we tinker with the ape genome and set up 2° "human" evolution??
Would that be intelligent design?
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:23 pm to Guntoter1
quote:Have a DV
We have NEVER seen a bacteria (evolve).
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:26 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
What is the chance that advanced extraterrestrial life exists in the universe?
What is the chance that advanced life is a 'mere' two million years ahead of our own?
What do you think the chance is that in the next million years, we figure out interstellar travel?
Perhaps wormhole travel?
We already know how to do GOF genetic work. A million years from now, if we came across a planet of the apes, could we tinker with the ape genome and set up 2° "human" evolution??
Would that be intelligent design?
This is exactly why Occam's Razor exists.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:27 pm to Azkiger
quote:
Wouldn't that sort of "intelligent design" be limited to the life that was seeded and not the life that evolved via natural selection over millions of years after?
Just to be clear I don't beleive that ID is true but a possibility. To your question I guess it would depend on the level of interaction from the designer and when the interaction took place. Pre abiogenesis as in seeding, or later.
Another possibility that I would consider Intelligent Design would be if the universe is a simulation, then whatever is programing it would be the designer. Basically any idea for the creation of any form of existence that doesn't just believe its all random I consider Intelligent Design. Does that make sense?
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:33 pm to Azkiger
quote:I routinely shave with one.
This is exactly why Occam's Razor exists
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