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re: The Scientific Establishment Is Finally Starting To Take Intelligent Design Seriously
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:37 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:37 pm to NC_Tigah
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No. Sorry. That is EXACTLY what Dawkins floated as an idea. Whether he was serious, or how serious he was isn't terribly important to me. What is relevant to the discussion you're inserting yourself into, and the reason I brought Dawkins into the discussion, is his repeated use of the term "intelligent design", obviously (given Dawkins' fervent atheism) with no intent to reference God.
Man, whatever…this is just pothead musings “maybe it was aliens bro”…it’s not science, it’s nothing but musings about possibilities of the unknown. Maybe some being shite us into existence and we’re existing in the eons it takes to fall from the arse to the flush. That’s intelligent design.
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Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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No. Sorry. That is EXACTLY what Dawkins floated as an idea. Whether he was serious, or how serious he was isn't terribly important to me.
What is relevant to the discussion you're inserting yourself into, and the reason I brought Dawkins into the discussion, is his repeated use of the term "intelligent design", obviously (given Dawkins' fervent atheism) with no intent to reference God.
And creationists wonder why the general consensus within the scientific community is to no longer try and hold debates and just ignore them.
Dishonest nitwits, the vast majority of them.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:43 pm to cwill
quote:I'm good with that. You should be too.
musings about possibilities of the unknown
quote:No. That is malignant stupidity, as is stark refusal to ponder that which you don't know. e.g., the origin of mass.
Maybe some being shite us into existence and we’re existing in the eons it takes to fall from the arse to the flush. That’s intelligent design.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:46 pm to NC_Tigah
Invoking Stephen C. Meyer (the creationist) in your video. I'll pass on the rebuttal.
Misrepresenting and taking Dawkins out of context with regards to ID isn't flattering to your argument. An Evening with Richard Dawkins & Matt Dillahunty in Toronto
I don't reject factual evidences. There's a dearth of DNA and phylogenomic evidence in support thereof. Common ancestry reveals genetic evidence that we are descendants of Pan Paniscus (bonobos) and Pan Troglodytes (chimpanzees). Bonobos and chimps share 99.6% of their DNA with humans. The ancestors of humans split from the ancestors of bonobos and chimps 4-5 million years ago.
You are arguing against the DNA and phylogenetics.
Misrepresenting and taking Dawkins out of context with regards to ID isn't flattering to your argument. An Evening with Richard Dawkins & Matt Dillahunty in Toronto
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It's not nitpicking anymore than it's nitpicking to point out that man did not evolve from bonobos. You should restart with a conspectus before attempting details
I don't reject factual evidences. There's a dearth of DNA and phylogenomic evidence in support thereof. Common ancestry reveals genetic evidence that we are descendants of Pan Paniscus (bonobos) and Pan Troglodytes (chimpanzees). Bonobos and chimps share 99.6% of their DNA with humans. The ancestors of humans split from the ancestors of bonobos and chimps 4-5 million years ago.
You are arguing against the DNA and phylogenetics.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:04 pm to NC_Tigah
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I'm good with that. You should be too.
Not intelligent design bros.
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No. That is malignant stupidity, as is stark refusal to ponder that which you don't know. e.g., the origin of mass.
Dude, you’re trying to make it science. Stop.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:13 pm to Herooftheday
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I have a hard time with billions. Or evolution.
God created the earth and sky and everything in it in 7 days, resting the 7th. In scripture it says a day is like a thousand years to the Lord. So around 7000 years to create, including man, in his image, never to evolve from His image (if you can find in the bible where he allowed man to evolve let me know. There was only one change he made to man and that was to limit his lifespan from thousands of years to 120 years).
Concur 100%
Evolution's high priests calculated that it needed that "Billions" of years time line in order to help to cover and explain The Big Bang ---> Gazillion X Gazillion processes ---> "Primordial Slime" ---> Amoebas ---> Monkeys ------> Man. "The Science" kept on moving the goalposts and claiming Dating Methodologies that are either inaccurate or can't be proven either.
The only Timeline that can be backed up and proven is the one you alluded to -- the Biblican-Genesis account and documentation (along with its 7,000-10,000 year or so trace-back.)
As a bit of an aside, it's time Christians start moving off the fence on this onto the proper side; Genesis and the Scriptural/Alimighty God's accounts of Creation (as well as Genesis in its entirety) is fully true. Creation is clearly a supernatural event and hill that cannot be compromised on by The Believer.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:17 pm to Liberator
You are always good for a chuckle. Imagine being this much of a lunatic.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:25 pm to cwill
Since you guys mentioned Dawkins, here's one of my favorites:
Dawkins vs. Lennox - The God Delusion Debate
Dawkins vs. Lennox - The God Delusion Debate
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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Maybe so, but it sounds a whole lot more like the claims of James Ussher than of the Bible itself.
I don't know James Ussher. But anyone with pen, paper, and the ability to read can jot down the biblical timeline pretty accurately. It's just written there right in the Bible. That's what I like about it. It is what it is and is the same for everyone and doesn't change. Not that the age of earth matters too much.
As far as dinosaurs and whatever else I don't know. I'm a regular guy that read the Bible and just understood that we've been here a couple thousand years. School taught me billions and how they came up with it never held water and there was always that disclaimer on the methods. You could come to wildly different conclusions on the same specimen.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:34 pm to Azkiger
quote:General consensus within the scientific community is a lazy behavioral justification which would be better off buried .... forever
general consensus within the scientific community is to no longer try and hold debates and just ignore them.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:39 pm to Herooftheday
quote:James Ussher
I don't know James Ussher.
quote:It doesn't though, not without major extrapolation. That's why it took Ussher so long working the whole thing out.
the Bible and just understood that we've been here a couple thousand years.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:42 pm to Liberator
quote:When did God create the dinosaurs?
Genesis and the Scriptural/Alimighty God's accounts of Creation (as well as Genesis in its entirety) is fully true
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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General consensus within the scientific community is a lazy behavioral justification which would be better off buried .... forever
Works for global war.......uh, climate change.
What's funny is I've seen some of these same posters laugh at claims of "scientific consensus" on other topics. Here it's gospel, to use an obvious pun.
If you want to hear someone dig their heels in and cover their ears, check out the informal debate between Lewis Wolpert and Dembski on the subject. It's easy enough to find.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:46 pm to the_truman_shitshow
I like Love Letters to Richard Dawkins. Hilarious.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 4:50 pm to Liberator
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it's time Christians start moving off the fence on this onto the proper side; Genesis and the Scriptural/Alimighty God's accounts of Creation (as well as Genesis in its entirety) is fully true
The story of Dust-Man and Rib-Woman?
Nothing more than bronze age, middle eastern, creation myths and ancient desert magic.
Take the intellectually laziest path, because anything that would take more thought hurts your brain.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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It doesn't though, not without major extrapolation. That's why it took Ussher so long working the whole thing out.
Well maybe he was trying to get accurate to within a few years. God created the heavens and earth in 7000 years. It has been 2022 years +/- since the birth of Jesus. The Bible gives how long Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob lived as well as many others in the line that lead to Jesus. It would not have been billions of years between Adam and Jesus. Thousands. I say 10,000 as an estimate I am comfortable with because it's not a point I obsess with. I just believe in a young earth, compared to billions anyway. This didn't make or break faith but to believe in billions after reading the Old Testament is a major departure from scripture comprehension. Again, it's not that important. There's no tests when we are before God.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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When did God create the dinosaurs?
Probably roamed the earth at creation pre flood.
The events and creatures that existed that Genesis speaks of around the fall of man are wild. Dinosaurs are a fairly low key being considering.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:25 pm to NC_Tigah
The Bible only hints at these things. There are extra-Biblical books that existed in the Second Temple period such as "The book of the Giants", "The book of Jubilees", "The book of Enoch" etc that do speak of some of these things (not just Giants as intermingled Nephilim and Humans but also corrupted giant animal hybrids as being part of the corruption (of what) on the earth in the time of Noah. The bible is fairly clear that Noah's line was pure (blameless, perfect) in his generations. I'll leave that up to everyone own scholarly interpenetration with prayer to the Holy Spirit for guidance.
I personally cannot attest to any of these books accuracy and have not spent a lot of time diligently studying it myself. But I will say, it may surprise some of you to find out that second temple Jewish people may have quite a different understanding of the world than we do today, and the world always seems to be heading in the direction of the complicated and even bizarre.
I personally cannot attest to any of these books accuracy and have not spent a lot of time diligently studying it myself. But I will say, it may surprise some of you to find out that second temple Jewish people may have quite a different understanding of the world than we do today, and the world always seems to be heading in the direction of the complicated and even bizarre.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:26 pm to Herooftheday
quote:Herooftheday, I'm not asking you to change belief. I am suggesting the Bible teaches by parable and allegory. Does it not? Treat Genesis in that way. The universe was NOT created in a day.
Well maybe he was trying to get accurate to within a few years. God created the heavens and earth in 7000 years.
Sorry! No!
Nor is extinction, precambrian/cambrian life, dinosaurs, asteroid impacts, etc, specifically addressed in Genesis.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:29 pm to civilag08
quote:Bingo!
The Bible only hints at these things.
Why did Jesus talk in parables? Because the messages are timeless.
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