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re: The Real Fear of $15/hr Min Wage
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:01 am to GurleyGirl
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:01 am to GurleyGirl
What work is Apple currently doing in the US which is paying less than $15/hr?
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Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:11 am to SEC. 593
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What work is Apple currently doing in the US which is paying less than $15/hr?
According to Glassdoor and payscale some retail associates, at home AppleCare advisors, support techs, customer service specialists, help desk techs, etc make less than 15.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:29 am to TeLeFaWx
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Welfare undermines wages and Wal-Mart exploits that. That doesn't mean they don't offer other things. They should offer those things but also not sign people up on welfare.
So you’re telling me the government is keeping wages artificially low?
What could go wrong by adding another layer of government
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:42 am to GoldenGuy
The biggest catch to me is that it will cause a mass increase in unemployment and an even bigger dependency on government handouts. They are training the younger generations to expect and need the government.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:45 am to Dawgfanman
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help desk techs
Damn, I feel like we were just starting to have more domestic help centers. Time to start brushing up on my Indian accent again.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:59 am to GoldenGuy
quote:Hopefully you find two good employees that will outwork the four bad ones they replace. Win win, win.
How the frick do grocery stores, fast food chains, gas stations, and most (state) government offices stay open, stocked, and/or available at a $15 minimum wage workers? Most states are already between $7-10 and those locations cycle through teens and drug-addicts on a regular basis.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:21 pm to Mephistopheles
I can speak first hand for restaurants. The part time employees will be almost non existence. The hours will be cut in very small increments, at first, to keep the total $ somewhat close. Service will go down . Maybe only have 6 servers instead of 10. A host will have to buss also. Will figure out how to make tipped employees do tasks non tipped would traditionally do, hence cutting those hours. The summer help that school age kids fill will be no more. There is no way that the productivity of a 16 year old in their first day of a job equates to $15. Look for small items to go up. Beverages, alcohol. Smaller pdortions. Closing at 9 instead of 10. All bad for the employees, guests and company.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:37 pm to nwacajun
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I can speak first hand for restaurants. The part time employees will be almost non existence. The hours will be cut in very small increments, at first, to keep the total $ somewhat close. Service will go down . Maybe only have 6 servers instead of 10. A host will have to buss also. Will figure out how to make tipped employees do tasks non tipped would traditionally do, hence cutting those hours. The summer help that school age kids fill will be no more. There is no way that the productivity of a 16 year old in their first day of a job equates to $15. Look for small items to go up. Beverages, alcohol. Smaller pdortions. Closing at 9 instead of 10. All bad for the employees, guests and company.
A classic example of minimum wage hurting a small business.
Liberals in DC don't care. Their base never took economics, and they eat in restaurants where a piece of toast is $13.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:57 pm to TigerAxeOK
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They have to double their employee pay, so they double their prices and pass it on to the consumer
Well not quite. The prices aren't doubled. If you sell for 10 bucks and you sell 20 am hour ...and you pay 3 people 10 bucks an hour to sell the widgets. Instead of 30 an hour you pay 45 in straight labor ( yes there will be tax increases but ..) Your 20 items have to increase by seventy five cents.
Variables of how many you sell and staff needed to sell those goods will alter the final percentage increase but it won't be near double. Scientific wild as$ guess...there will be roughly a 10% decrease in current purchasing power. Some places are already at 15 min. Part time Amazon pickers were over 17..I doubt my 55k employee commons has anyone below 15 already..so they already have it factored in. That decrease in purchasing power will also affect those that get bumped to 15..because their normal purchases will be more expensive.
So....well be right back here in a few years saying 17...then 20. While money supply increases and more billionaires are minted and...the wealth gap between them increases
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:02 pm to GoldenGuy
So lets take ole Johnny here for example just graduated high school and goes to get him a 7.25/hr job and living in baton rouge. He gets 1,160 per month gross.
1,160 gross
(116 taxes)
(200 health insurance deducted)
(200 food for the month)
So that leaves roughly 650 to pay rent, electric, water, clothing, etc. No mention of a car bc he is using public transportation or a bike to get to work, no cell phone, and he's going to pay to college to get a trade certificate. How exactly is minimum wage of 7.25 doable in 2021? I find baton rouge not a very high cost of living area. So lets rerun these numbers somewhere else and lets see how they fare.
1,160 gross
(116 taxes)
(200 health insurance deducted)
(200 food for the month)
So that leaves roughly 650 to pay rent, electric, water, clothing, etc. No mention of a car bc he is using public transportation or a bike to get to work, no cell phone, and he's going to pay to college to get a trade certificate. How exactly is minimum wage of 7.25 doable in 2021? I find baton rouge not a very high cost of living area. So lets rerun these numbers somewhere else and lets see how they fare.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:02 pm to GoldenGuy
I would think CHINA does NOT have a minimum wage....and they rival the US economy!
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:17 pm to tigersfan1989
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exactly is minimum wage of 7.25 doable in 2021
it's not but I'm not sold that $15 is the answer either
plus low skilled work will eventually be replaced by technology
I like yangs ubi model for the most part, at least that way I get a piece of the handouts I'm paying for through taxes anyways
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:19 pm to tigersfan1989
Whar do you think happens to those numbers with a higher minimum wage? Thry will go up and some point 15 isn't enough. At thr end of the day it is a band aid. Learning a skill is how upward mobility is attained. It isnt handed to you by the government
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:20 pm to tigersfan1989
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How exactly is minimum wage of 7.25 doable in 2021?
Just stop.
You're being an idiot.
40% of the 1.9% of the workforce that even makes minimum wage or below are below the age of 25.
40% of 1.9% is 0.76%
0.76% of American workers make minimum wage at $7.25/hr.
For the love of GOD, educate yourself before you go supporting liberal policies that will wreck small businesses.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:22 pm to BiteMe2020
So if so little of the workforce makes it then its not a big deal to bump up minimum wage correct?
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:25 pm to tigersfan1989
quote:
So lets take ole Johnny here for example just graduated high school and goes to get him a 7.25/hr job and living in baton rouge. He gets 1,160 per month gross. 1,160 gross (116 taxes) (200 health insurance deducted) (200 food for the month) So that leaves roughly 650 to pay rent, electric, water, clothing, etc. No mention of a car bc he is using public transportation or a bike to get to work, no cell phone, and he's going to pay to college to get a trade certificate. How exactly is minimum wage of 7.25 doable in 2021? I find baton rouge not a very high cost of living area. So lets rerun these numbers somewhere else and lets see how they fare.
Johnny needs a second job or some OT, since he’s just starting out. He also needs some roommates and an appetite for ramen noodles. Things will get better if he just hustles.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:26 pm to tigersfan1989
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So if so little of the workforce makes it then its not a big deal to bump up minimum wage correct?
Gotta bump everyone else too. Or do you think teachers in rural areas are gonna work for min wage since 15 or so an hour is damn near what they make...not to mention all the people earning 10/11/12/14 who were above min wage who are now no better than those just starting out, despite years of experience. They will want more than 15.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:31 pm to tigersfan1989
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So if so little of the workforce makes it then its not a big deal to bump up minimum wage correct?
You're moving from $7.25 to $15.
You're NOT moving a small percentage of the workforce ONLY by making that jump.
What about people making $14?
God you are one dumb bastard.
For the sake of our country - NEVER vote again.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:34 pm to BiteMe2020
I didn't say it needed to be 15. I said it needs to be able to support the basics of life. Like someone else said 15 / hr gets you alot more in some places of the country compared to others. To your other point i'll continue my right to vote just as you will.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:36 pm to tigersfan1989
quote:
I didn't say it needed to be 15. I said it needs to be able to support the basics of life. Like someone else said 15 / hr gets you alot more in some places of the country compared to others. To your other point i'll continue my right to vote just as you will.
The current minimum wage IS NOT A PROBLEM.
What about that is hard for you to understand?
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