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Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:30 pm to Wally Sparks
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What exactly in the Catechism did he change?
He said the death penalty is never justified period.
Changing 2000 years of church teaching .
Of course he did not do it ex-cathedra so it will be corrected eventually but this will be used by Protestants for the next thousand years to say see your Catholic teaching on papal infallibility is flawed.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:37 pm to Guntoter1
quote:You're correct.
He said the death penalty is never justified period.
Changing 2000 years of church teaching .
Of course he did not do it ex-cathedra so it will be corrected eventually but this will be used by Protestants for the next thousand years to say see your Catholic teaching on papal infallibility is flawed.
When RCCs criticize Protestantism, one of the most common arguments used is our lack of organizational unity; we split and splinter over little things all the time. The Pope is used as a sign of that unity in Catholicism, as the head of the Church, and defender of historical Christianity. When the Pope diverges from even the RCC's positions, it doesn't help the case against Protestantism, because the unity and consistency promoted by Rome seems shallow and only true in appearance.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:49 pm to FooManChoo
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When RCCs criticize Protestantism, one of the most common arguments used is our lack of organizational unity; we split and splinter over little things all the time. The Pope is used as a sign of that unity in Catholicism, as the head of the Church, and defender of historical Christianity. When the Pope diverges from even the RCC's positions, it doesn't help the case against Protestantism, because the unity and consistency promoted by Rome seems shallow and only true in appearance.
You know I hate to agree with you but you are correct.
My own pope just destroyed one of my talking points I would use to try to bring you back to Rome sweet home but thanks to a pagan worshiping pontiff you will continue down the wrong path and will bring other with you.
Have an up vote
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 4:57 pm to Guntoter1
I agree - politics and religion do NOT mix. I wish he'd tell the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to do the same - stay out of politics. Instead do the work Jesus commissioned them to do - as in shepherd the flock. God knows we need Holy Priest.
Anyway, I pray for the Pope. You should too.
Anyway, I pray for the Pope. You should too.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:06 pm to FooManChoo
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one of the most common arguments used is our lack of organizational unity; we split and splinter over little things all the time
How many different Protestant denominations are there now?
We've had this conversation about the RCC's position on the Death Penalty. The current position is that the RCC considers it "inadmissable" and will work against it. That's in the Catechism.
Did the RCC Catechism ever say in print "We of this Church stand for and are in favor of the Government having the right to Kill Prisoners."? No, of course not. There's never been an official written RCC document addressing the question until now.
Are people angry because the Pope has not announced how much he is in favor of Govts killing prisoners?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:12 pm to GeorgePaton
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I agree - politics and religion do NOT mix. I wish he'd tell the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to do the same - stay out of politics. Instead do the work Jesus commissioned them to do - as in shepherd the flock.
This is the problem IMO.
The pope gets his information from people he has to trust, such as high ranking cardinals like Cupich.
If Cupich and others are Homosexual progressive wolves they will feed the pope false or slanted versions of the truth.
I hope this is the case and Leo will overcome this evil.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:14 pm to Guntoter1
Oh no!! The Pope doesn’t want to get involved with Politics!! The horror!!
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:14 pm to Champagne
quote:A lot, unfortunately. It's hard to calculate because some denominations are separated only by geography rather than by doctrine.
How many different Protestant denominations are there now?
quote:I think many Christians--including Catholics, apparently--are angry that he goes against what we believe the Scriptures plainly teach.
We've had this conversation about the RCC's position on the Death Penalty. The current position is that the RCC considers it "inadmissable" and will work against it. That's in the Catechism.
Did the RCC Catechism ever say in print "We of this Church stand for and are in favor of the Government having the right to Kill Prisoners."? No, of course not. There's never been an official written RCC document addressing the question until now.
Are people angry because the Pope has not announced how much he is in favor of Govts killing prisoners?
Regardless of why, what I was calling attention to in the other thread was not a change in the Catechism (I don't know if it changed or not), but in practice. The RCC has partnered with civil governments for 1,000 years to put to death heretics and enemies of the faith, but now the teaching is that the DP is inadmissible? Sure.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:22 pm to FooManChoo
Are you standing before us today and arguing that Scripture is absolutely clear that the Death Penalty is totally Biblical, Foo?
And you also declare with absolute certainty that Jesus Christ Himself would condemn any Catholic who is working and lobbying to stop Governments from executing prisoners?
Scripture is plain and clear that working to end the Death Penalty is against Scripture - this is what you're saying to us.
And you also declare with absolute certainty that Jesus Christ Himself would condemn any Catholic who is working and lobbying to stop Governments from executing prisoners?
Scripture is plain and clear that working to end the Death Penalty is against Scripture - this is what you're saying to us.
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:23 pm to Guntoter1
The pope is a tard
Get your talking points from someone who gives a shite
Get your talking points from someone who gives a shite
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:26 pm to Guntoter1
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Jesus is the answer to our problems.
Mooslims and the Jooos would be upset.
Can't have that.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:30 pm to Champagne
Are you standing before us today and arguing that Scripture is absolutely clear that the Death Penalty is totally Biblical, Foo
The RCC has always (the earliest is the 4th century) said that any legitimate Governing authority has the right to use capital punishment in order to maintain civil order.
The latest two times they stated this was the council of Trent about 400 years ago and the Catechisim of the CC as promulgated by Pope John Paul II
The RCC has always (the earliest is the 4th century) said that any legitimate Governing authority has the right to use capital punishment in order to maintain civil order.
The latest two times they stated this was the council of Trent about 400 years ago and the Catechisim of the CC as promulgated by Pope John Paul II
This post was edited on 10/8/25 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:30 pm to Guntoter1
I’m ok with this. Pope Francis had to give his opinion on everything. He was the blabber mouth pope.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:30 pm to Champagne
quote:Yes, and the RCC partnered with civil governments to execute heretics for centuries.
Are you standing before us today and arguing that Scripture is absolutely clear that the Death Penalty is totally Biblical, Foo?
...
Scripture is plain and clear that working to end the Death Penalty is against Scripture - this is what you're saying to us
quote:Not sure what He would say about that in particular. All I know is that God said that justice is a life for a life (Gen. 9:6), and commanded the nation of Israel to execute people for certain sin-crimes. Jesus never condemned Pilate or Rome for executing criminals (just that His own execution was unjust), and the Apostle Paul affirmed the right of civil authorities to use "the sword", and even to put himself to death if he had committed a crime warranting it.
And you also declare with absolute certainty that Jesus Christ Himself would condemn any Catholic who is working and lobbying to stop Governments from executing prisoners?
Jesus will come in judgement on the last day and will implement the second-death penalty against many. It's not against God's character, but to the contrary, affirms that God is just.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:35 pm to FooManChoo
There is nothing in the Gospel to suggest that Jesus might be against the Death Penalty.
Absolutely nothing?
Absolutely nothing?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:36 pm to FooManChoo
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Yes, and the RCC partnered with civil governments to execute heretics for centuries.
And now we just argue with them on the internet.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:37 pm to Guntoter1
Are you aware of anything in the Gospel that might suggest that Jesus might be against the Death Penalty?
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:40 pm to Champagne
Are you aware of anything in the Gospel that might suggest that Jesus might be against the Death Penalty?
Yes I can think of a few that MIGHT suggest that Jesus would frown on it.
Yes I can think of a few that MIGHT suggest that Jesus would frown on it.
Posted on 10/8/25 at 5:44 pm to Klark Kent
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I’d argue he’s worked really hard at alienating a large portion of Catholics with his comments the last 2 weeks on immigration and global warming.
Thank you. Did the people on here not see what he said last week? Backhanded insults at the US immigration policy among other things. Now he doesn't want to comment. Too late bud.
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