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re: The Palestinian Dream Is Dying—and It's A Nightmare for Israel
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:32 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:32 am to Mo Jeaux
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Nope, but you can keep thinking that if you want to. It's not true at all, and if you have an even basic understanding of the negotiations then you're being disingenuous.
Didn't the UN Partition Resolution in 1947 call for a Jewish State and an Arab State? What was the result? Arabs attacked and went to war, did they not?
Clinton tried to give nearly everything to Arafat in 2000. Arafat refused, and then started the Second Intifada.
2015 Olmert/Abbas, a near complete withdrawal from the West Bank and control of Jerusalem's Old City proposal was refused.
I'm certainly no expert, but to claim that the Palestinians haven't refused statehood, even violently so, is utterly false.
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:43 am to SloaneRanger
Yeah, mostly self inflicted by the Palestinians and their ridiculous leaders, all the way back to Yasser Arafat. On top of that, none of the neighboring countries want the Palestinians either. They are and always have been a violent trouble making, mislead victim hood culture. To make matters worse, the mainstream press always frames a media template that is everything pro-Palestine and Anti-Israel.
They like to trace their ancestry back to Abraham through Ishmael the son of Hagar a servant of Abraham's wife Sarah. Genesis chapter 16 describes Ishmael as:
"He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
Much of the Arab world trace their ancestry back to Ishmael, although they are actually a mix descendants of Ishmael and Esau. So, when I read the description of Ishmael in Genesis, I thought, that is a really good description of several Arabian nationalities, especially the Palestinians.
They like to trace their ancestry back to Abraham through Ishmael the son of Hagar a servant of Abraham's wife Sarah. Genesis chapter 16 describes Ishmael as:
"He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
Much of the Arab world trace their ancestry back to Ishmael, although they are actually a mix descendants of Ishmael and Esau. So, when I read the description of Ishmael in Genesis, I thought, that is a really good description of several Arabian nationalities, especially the Palestinians.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:46 am to djmed
They should get out of Israel, go live in the concentration camps that their Muslim brothers setup for them.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:48 am to bizeagle
quote:they sure are some skilled crater crafters... You should go see all those holes in the ground in Lebanon
"He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:17 am to djmed
The Palestinians are nothing more than a mechanism by which other countries wage a proxy war on the country of Israel.
The Israelis are not our friends and they can be complete assholes too, but there is so much more to the Israel/PA situation than most people comprehend.
There is absolutely ZERO chance of a solution that is amenable to both parties. ZERO.
The Israelis are not our friends and they can be complete assholes too, but there is so much more to the Israel/PA situation than most people comprehend.
There is absolutely ZERO chance of a solution that is amenable to both parties. ZERO.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:25 am to SloaneRanger
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The Palestinians have done this to themselves.
Our CIA is more to blame than anyone.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:25 am to Penrod
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Plenty of cocksuckers on both sides.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:28 am to Lsupimp
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If the Arab world actually cared, they wouldn’t be. But they prefer using them as a human wedge against Israel. So here we are.
They use the same ideology as DEMOCRAT - use disadvantaged populations as your primary weaponology against your political opponents. Keep them barely alive but in a totally miserable situation - blame that situation on your political opponents - do NOTHING to 'improve' their situations - only stoke them up on RESENTMENT for the "other" party who is 'responsible' for their misery. Give them PERMISSION to resort to the basest of human instincts as their only way to better themselves within the dystopia environment created by the DEMOCRATs - Blame any attempt to correct the 'basest of human instincts (crimes)' on the REPUBLICANs who "hate them."
Rinse and repeat - since 1964.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 11:30 am to Burt Orangello
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The Israelis are not our friends and they can be complete assholes too
They are far better than our worst enemy. In fact, I think they may well be the best friend (least unfriendly) we have in this day and age.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:13 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
They are far better than our worst enemy. In fact, I think they may well be the best friend (least unfriendly) we have in this day and age.
Sure, them passing along some of our state secrets to the ChiComs is just part and parcel of our friendship, right?
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:14 pm to troyt37
quote:
Didn't the UN Partition Resolution in 1947 call for a Jewish State and an Arab State? What was the result? Arabs attacked and went to war, did they not?
Clinton tried to give nearly everything to Arafat in 2000. Arafat refused, and then started the Second Intifada.
2015 Olmert/Abbas, a near complete withdrawal from the West Bank and control of Jerusalem's Old City proposal was refused.
I'm certainly no expert, but to claim that the Palestinians haven't refused statehood, even violently so, is utterly false.
I don't even know where to begin with this. It's certainly not accurate.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:25 pm to ChineseBandit58
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They are far better than our worst enemy. In fact, I think they may well be the best friend (least unfriendly) we have in this day and age.
That’s a common perception/opinion, but I hate to say it’s not accurate.
They have a lot of influence in our government, which leads to our outsized support. On the flip side, they spy on us and steal from us more than any other country on the planet.
We are their friends, but they are not ours.
I was in the business for 20 years, lived over there for awhile, etc., and at one point was considered an SME on some aspects of the situation. Take my word for it (or don’t…either is fine by me).
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:27 pm to djmed
They need to stop being terrorists.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:29 pm to Clames
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They need to stop being terrorists.
Agreed. If the Israelis would stop some of their terroristic tactics in the West bank and Gaza, that could help things.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:30 pm to Burt Orangello
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There is absolutely ZERO chance of a solution that is amenable to both parties. ZERO.
Of course, Israel could concede everything short of complete annihilation of itself and it still wouldn't be enough. There is no two-state solution, there is no compromise that would stop the terrorism.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Agreed
That you are a confused and poorly educated dolt. Yes, of course.
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:45 pm to Clames
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That you are a confused and poorly educated dolt. Yes, of course.
How am I confused? And why would you say that I'm poorly educated? Do you know anything about my educational background, particularly in respect of the Middle East?
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:48 pm to djmed
They both need Jesus.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:52 pm to Mo Jeaux
Like putting Hamas HQs in civilian buildings? Or launching rockets from playgrounds?
Do you even know who has political and security control in Gaza and the West Bank? Is it the same situation in both? Bathe us in your knowledge.
Do you even know who has political and security control in Gaza and the West Bank? Is it the same situation in both? Bathe us in your knowledge.
Posted on 9/26/23 at 12:57 pm to LemmyLives
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Like putting Hamas HQs in civilian buildings? Or launching rockets from playgrounds?
Wait, do you think that I'm excusing all Palestinian behavior? Because I'm not.
quote:
Do you even know who has political and security control in Gaza and the West Bank?
Well, do you mean overall, or in the areas where the IDF moves in Or do you mean in the areas where Israel uses Orthodox settlers as proxies for taking over portions of those areas?
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 12:59 pm
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