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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:31 pm to doubleb
Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:31 pm to doubleb
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Follow the link I provided. It’s not cnn
I already pointed out the obvious difference between nominal and ppp, going by nominal especially during an American embargo is pure CNN cope. Get over it lol
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Posted on 5/1/22 at 8:09 am to Palmetto98
Not sure which method is best measure of GDP, but Russian estimates (from their finance minister) anticipate 9% fall this year and I've seen Western estimates of 10-11%. They're using their leverage with gas to try to break the western sanctions regime and get out from under some of that. Don't know if that will work, but one thing that would certainly do it would be high-tail their asses back to Moscow. 
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:06 pm to doubleb
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Who is going to want to do business with them?
Our politicians will gladly launder US taxpayer money through Russia and have it donated back to their campaigns.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 7:08 pm to PsychTiger
LINK
AFP
AFP
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"As you can hear, the enemy is very, very near," he says, pointing to the sky. The line of Russian tanks is on the other side of a hill, around seven kilometres (4.3 miles) away.
At 21 years old, Samoylov, an officer from the Odessa military academy, finds himself managing 130 conscripts, often twice his age.
"It's my first war. I was supposed to graduate in four months, but they sent me here," says the baby-faced officer with a short black beard.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 7:56 pm to ridlejs
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The nation’s population will rise to 438 million in 2050, from 296 million in 2005, and fully 82% of the growth during this period will be due to immigrants arriving from 2005 to 2050 and their descendants. (Figure 1)"
And we'll become a shithole as those immigrants gain control of the country.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:44 am to BuckyCheese
Yup.
We made America great. Destroy our culture, and replace us, you’ll be left with a poor and incredibly dysfunctional society.
We made America great. Destroy our culture, and replace us, you’ll be left with a poor and incredibly dysfunctional society.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 2:46 am
Posted on 5/2/22 at 5:07 am to Palmetto98
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Sick of this Fox News/CNN Neocon puppet bullshvt being thrown around. Where did this robust economy get us in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan? A draw against two authoritarian crazy dictators and two Loses against essentially militiamen. Face it, war is tough on any country especially the one on the offensive.
Uh, I think you are intentionally misunderstanding him for some reason. His point is about what constitutes a modern military and the requisite development you need.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 7:01 am to TexasForever
Posted on 5/2/22 at 9:28 am to Palmetto98
quote:we didn't lose any of these you mention militarily, in fact we kicked the shite out of the opponents in every instance. It was all at the strategic and national will level.
Where did this robust economy get us in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan? A draw against two authoritarian crazy dictators and two Loses against essentially militiamen
Posted on 5/2/22 at 10:34 am to Palmetto98
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two Loses against essentially militiamen.
Just unpacking the "we lost the war in Vietnam" - we won that war - period. Then, in a most bipartisan display of cowardice, the Congress of the United States refused to allow the President (Ford) to enforce the terms of that hard won victory. In a preview of military conflicts to come, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory (after the blood was all shed and the powers-that-be made all the money they wanted to make.)
It is almost an intelligence test for me at this point. Someone who argues that we lost the Vietnam War is either ignorant of the actual facts surrounding the 1973 to 1975 era of the conflict OR has an anti-American agenda.
There is no third option.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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Just unpacking the "we lost the war in Vietnam" - we won that war - period. Then, in a most bipartisan display of cowardice, the Congress of the United States refused to allow the President (Ford) to enforce the terms of that hard won victory. In a preview of military conflicts to come, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory (after the blood was all shed and the powers-that-be made all the money they wanted to make.)
It is almost an intelligence test for me at this point. Someone who argues that we lost the Vietnam War is either ignorant of the actual facts surrounding the 1973 to 1975 era of the conflict OR has an anti-American agenda.
There is no third option.
I know a guy from South Vietnam that was there when the US "left". He was put in a concentration camp when the US withdrew and the North moved back in.
He lost his sister and his parents where sent to the North to work while he was in a camp in Cambodia.
Sure, we can look at body counts and battles, but we didnt gain a single fricking thing there man. Keep it 100....
I was at dinner with him when he told me his story. I dont know how anyone considers Vietnam something we "won".
If the only metric is kill count and shite blown up, we are no better than our foes.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:22 pm to JayDeerTay84
So I read today where senator john Cornyn sponsored a lend lease bill in the senate back in the middle of January. Before the war even started. This whole thing has been gamed out by D.C. from the beginning. They want this war. Biden is doing nothing to de-escalate this thing. He is even going to pay Ukrainian pensions. This is headed to a major war.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:30 pm to JayDeerTay84
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I was at dinner with him when he told me his story. I dont know how anyone considers Vietnam something we "won".
If the only metric is kill count and shite blown up, we are no better than our foes.
No, I'm not talking about "kill count." We beat the NVA into submission (after the VC committed suicide with Tet years prior) and forced them to the table in Paris. They agreed to largely our terms with Kissinger as our lead negotiator.
Wiki re: Paris Peace Accords
Then, when Nixon left office under threat of impeachment (Watergate), the NVA (who had been building up their strength) launched a final offensive in clear violation of the peace treaty terms. Since the Congress at that moment in history had the balls of a very small variety of mouse, they stood by and did nothing and did not allow the President to enforce the treaty.
The President had to plead for funds to evacuate and even those requests were not fully funded. It is reminiscent of our withdrawal from Afghanistan, but that appears to be all on the Executive at that point - funding wasn't an issue.
So, again, folks who believe we lost the war either:
A. Don't know, or
B. Are anti-American
If you didn't know, fine, now you do.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:49 pm to Ace Midnight
So what did we win? What did the US gain? We spent 58k US lives over there. Hopefully we got something in return?
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 1:55 pm to JayDeerTay84
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So what did we win?
For frick's sake, what did we win with WWI? WWII? Desert Storm?
No one questions whether or not we won those wars.
It is possible to win the war and lose the peace. Ask France how "winning" WWI feels.
We won the Vietnam War all the way through peace negotiations. Then we declined to enforce our victory 2 years later. If you can't grasp that, perhaps we're done.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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We won the Vietnam War all the way through peace negotiations. Then we declined to enforce our victory 2 years later. If you can't grasp that, perhaps we're done.
Its like saying we had more yards and stats but lost on the scoreboard.
Again, what did the US gain from Vietnam?
Here, let me help you. Absolutely fricking nothing.
And yea, maybe we are done because this mindset of going to "war" just to kill people, destroy nations, and leave behind a wreckage isn't honorable because we dont like the other guys politics.
We went to Vietnam and gained nothing as a nation.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:15 pm to texas tortilla
LINK Ukraine army finished.
Posted on 5/2/22 at 2:57 pm to JayDeerTay84
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And yea, maybe we are done because this mindset of going to "war" just to kill people, destroy nations, and leave behind a wreckage isn't honorable because we dont like the other guys politics.
You want to argue that our reasons for going to war were flawed? Absolutely.
That's generally true of WWI, Korea and everything since Vietnam, too. Doesn't mean we didn't win them.
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Again, what did the US gain from Vietnam?
Again, that's true of WWI (now - we did gain, significantly, as a nation, but not because we fought and "won" - because we war profiteered). Mostly true of WWII - now we did maintain our position as a superpower, but picked up the defense bill for half the planet and got into an extraordinarily dangerous arms race with Russia that threatens humanity TO...THIS...DAY.
So, if you want to get into all that nuance we can. But we "won" the Vietnam War as victory was defined throughout all of history up until that time. The left wanted to paint it as a loss because they're anti-American.
Not because we actually lost. Because we didn't.
This post was edited on 5/2/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 5/2/22 at 3:26 pm to Ace Midnight
So define “winning”? I asked. What did we gain in Vietnam.
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