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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:14 pm to
If they do, don't count the North Koreans out. They have a real shot at the gold.

ETA: BTW, his post history shows him recently in the flat earth thread taking a contrarian position on the shape of the earth, in the "just asking questions" style.

You run into this problem again and again with these accounts - just terrible epistemics or massive bad faith and trying to pill folks on multiple trash theories?
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 5:48 pm to
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he’s a critic of Biden himself.


Absolutely, the worst president (and administration) we've ever had.

My alignment on the Russia/Ukraine war is similar to others, I'm pro Ukraine, anti Russia. Pro Ukraine does not mean I like Zelensky or think he's the second coming of Churchill. I do admire the leadership he's displayed since the start of the war, he's doing exactly what he should be doing. Biden could learn a lot from him about being a leader.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 5:56 pm to
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he's doing exactly what he should be doing


By taking money/arms from the West without a guarantee of safety, he doomed his people to death.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:09 pm to
We have crisis actors running propaganda.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:31 pm to
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I'm pro Ukraine, anti Russia.



So you like many others will beleieve anything Ukraine says which is perfectly fine

Whats interesting is you cry about others calling out BS or lolin at fact that you ate up the Ghost of Kiev.

Whats the ultimate is being called a putin puppet for such things but you cant be called a Zelensky blower
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:43 pm to
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So you like many others will beleieve anything Ukraine says which is perfectly fine

Whats interesting is you cry about others calling out BS or lolin at fact that you ate up the Ghost of Kiev.

Whats the ultimate is being called a putin puppet for such things but you cant be called a Zelensky blower



This must be your stock answer that you use to change the subject. Russia is snd has been an enemy of most of the nations on its long border.

None of what you posted pertains to me anyway. You post crap like that not to debate the issue, but to minimize people who don’t like Russia.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:38 pm to
What sets you (and others) apart is how you respond to any post that is positive about Ukraine. You can't respond without throwing insults into your response. It's juvenile and tedious.

I am absolutely pro Ukraine, I think Putin should be tried for war crimes, not because of any presumed love of Zelensky (I don't particularly like him but think he's managing the current situation well) or Azov (whose views I don't agree with) but because what Russia has done is just wrong, the evil and violence they have wrought upon the people of Ukraine is terrible and deserves a reckoning that I'm not at all sure they will receive. When it comes to Azov, I can not agree with any of their views; however, I can still want them to beat the Russians. Basically along the lines of the enemy of my enemy is my friend..that's Azov to me.

I think the Ukrainian military has performed superbly against a much larger and stronger enemy. There is more than enough anecdotal evidence to support the stance that so far in this war Ukraine has bested Russia on the battlefield. A HUGE part of their success is the support they have received from NATO countries. The training, weapons, munitions, and most importantly intelligence have made a difference in the war so far.

The next few weeks are going to be critical. It won't take long for battlefield results to start showing up on social media. I think we will know fairly quickly if Ukraine is going to continue its success or not. Russia is going to have to get its act together on the battlefield or it's going to get its teeth kicked in again. If Russia can regroup and demonstrate competence in arms, then Russia will probably achieve its current objective of taking full control of the Donetsk region.

Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:39 pm to
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Russia is snd has been an enemy of most of the nations on its long border.


What does that have to do with you lapping up Ukraine propoganda as if thats the only truth

Like Russians running over their generals with tanks

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None of what you posted pertains to me anyway. You post crap like that not to debate the issue, but to minimize people who don’t like Russia.


Right and you do the same to anyone who doesnt like Russia and Ukraine.

Its amazing how you dont understand that by now

Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:45 pm to
It is interesting how small us Westerners tend to view the world. If only we could realize about 2/3rds of the world thinks we are wrong most of the time.

Our "truth" is most certainly not a shared truth in say India, China, Turkey, ME, Russia, Africa....
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 7:46 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:57 pm to
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What does that have to do with you lapping up Ukraine propoganda as if thats the only truth


Nothing I posted is Ukrainian propaganda. You can easily find that Russia had wars with Sweden, Finland, Poland, China, Japan, Austria-Hungary, Afghanistan, the Baltic States, Czechoslovakia, the Ukraine, and others.
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Right and you do the same to anyone who doesnt like Russia and Ukraine.

Its amazing how you dont understand that by now


You love that word, amazing.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
98930 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:13 pm to
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think Putin should be tried for war crimes


So do i!


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When it comes to Azov, I can not agree with any of their views; however, I can still want them to beat the Russians


You are a nahzi supporter

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Nothing I posted is Ukrainian propaganda


No one said you did. You just lap up everything thats posted about it without questioning anything
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:10 pm to
There are several interesting items in today's ISW assessment. Some of this is from the Ukrainian government & military so consider what you read with that in mind.

This paragraph discusses morale in the Russian army. The news that Russia is offering varying payments for the destruction of Ukrainian assets has been circulating for a bit.

Because this could well be Ukranian propaganda, I will simply ask rhetorically, what if this is true? What does that signal? Is it just poor communication and execution on the Russian militaries part? It doesn't seem real smart to offer a reward for something that requires people to put their lives on the line and then not keep up your end of the deal.

I wonder if the 1st Tank Army mentioned below is the Elite 1st Guards Tank Army or a different unit? Does anyone know?

It will be interesting to see if this type of information begins to appear from sources other than the Ukrainian military.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-12
quote:

The Ukrainian Defense Intelligence also claimed on April 12 that Russian troops continued to struggle with low morale and that promised financial incentives to participate in combat in Ukraine have not been delivered to some units as promised.[2] The report stated that servicemen of the 47th Guards Tank Division of the 1st Tank Army failed to receive promised additional payment for participating in operations in Ukraine and that military leadership ignored appeals for payments.[3] The Ukrainian GUR claims that Russian troops are refusing to participate in fighting due to the number of bodies returning to Russia from Ukraine and that the Russian military is shipping bodies in smaller batches to avoid causing panic in local communities.
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 9:11 pm
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3497 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:15 pm to
Second Phase. U.K. intelligence suggests that Russian forces are preparing for what is expected to be a large and more focused push on expanding control in the east of Ukraine. The Butcher, will likely push the center of Ukraine and cut the country.





Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:38 pm to
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This paragraph discusses morale in the Russian army. The news that Russia is offering varying payments for the destruction of Ukrainian assets has been circulating for a bit.


Paying off like a video game. No wonder Russia is having problems.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22596 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:23 pm to
It’s going to be next to impossible to pull of the bullshite shown in those maps… the mistakes Russia made on the front end will haunt them until this war ends — spreading resources way too thin over multiple fronts, no coordination between fronts, huge casualties from elite units suffered in initial waves, overall loss of equipment and manpower, etc.

I just don’t see a long term viable solution for Russia, even in the Donbas… they’re fricked… it’s just a question of how many Ukrainians have to die before they come to accept it.
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 11:24 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:32 pm to
I tend to agree with you; however, I am not counting Russia out of this yet. They took a big step in the recent appointment of an overall commander. If he slows down, allows his forces to refit and gets set up in typical Russian battle formations, then they can use their mass to overwhelm Ukraine.

If they didn't learn anything from the first time, they will rush and probably get their teeth kicked in again. I guess it depends on how badly Putin wants to declare victory ahead of next month's parade.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 6:17 am to
Ya'll are falling into the trap. Just when you think Russia "lost" too much you will be surprised at how much more just keeps coming.

They are wired different over there.
Posted by Palmetto98
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Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:38 am to
Just normal course of war. The North didn’t just outright steamroll the south. Germany looked liked it was going to kick Russia’s arse at the beginning of the war.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98930 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:43 am to
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A British man who joined Ukraine's marines is said to have surrendered to Russian forces in Mariupol after his unit ran out of supplies and ammunition




Buisness Insider article. If legit how is this possible with all the money being sent to them?

OT thread says its Russians eating dirt and drinking their own piss to survive

Lulz
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:49 am to
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Ya'll are falling into the trap. Just when you think Russia "lost" too much you will be surprised at how much more just keeps coming.


It’s kind of like seeing a halftime score where the cupcake is upsetting the big dog. We are definitely intrigued, but we know the second half will probably get ugly.

But then every once in a while .........
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