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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:17 am to Lloyd Christmas
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:17 am to Lloyd Christmas
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How long do you propose that an entire parish should be held hostage for this? It has been what, a year? If this was such a great idea, the necessary signatures would have been collected in a month.
You support the right of the people to vote if they can get the needed signatures within a certain time frame?
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Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:19 am to novabill
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As an aside, what happens to the CATS tax if SG becomes a reality. Will SG residents still have to pay the tax?
Wut?
Nobody in the proposed city of St. George pays the CATS tax.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:19 am to Lloyd Christmas
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I would love to see the signatures that say otherwise.
You just said 85%.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:19 am to Mickey Goldmill
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The people running this SG movement are a joke. Baton Rouge had no choice here but to protect it's and the parishes interest by annexing the mall.
Lionel Rainy and the other SG leaders should have never included the mall without more certainty they wouldn't request to be annexed.
I can't believe they haven't once questioned their leaders' failures, because they are "volunteers"
They are volunteering to be the first ones in lines of reaping the rewards of an incorporation.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:21 am to Asgard Device
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Will you feel the same way when enough businesses on the boundaries join the city of BR and then "St George" becomes net takers?
What are you talking about? I asked a direct question in response to a comment he made.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:22 am to Lloyd Christmas
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I can't believe they haven't once questioned their leaders' failures, because they are "volunteers"
Lionel Rainey is a "volunteer" that doesn't even live in St. George but does happen to gain financially from state government contracts the moment he begins "volunteering" for state Senator Bodi White's causes.
shite, I'll volunteer for St. George if I get a no-bid $717k contract to perform services already performed by another state agency.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:23 am to moneyg
It's been posted here countless times. Just look it up yourself. The point is, it's one big pot that is spent across the entire parish. SG was attempting to take a large portion of the money for East Baton Rouge Parish away.
The budget changes every year and is voted upon by the entire parish. That includes elected leaders from SG. The budget passed unanimously last year.
The budget changes every year and is voted upon by the entire parish. That includes elected leaders from SG. The budget passed unanimously last year.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 12:24 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:26 am to Asgard Device
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Nobody in the proposed city of St. George pays the CATS tax.
My bad, I thought it did.
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:27 am to Mickey Goldmill
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It's been posted here countless times. Just look it up yourself.
If you know, just tell me. You made the claim. How much goes to the general fund. I know I've seen 50M+ ends up moving from the general fund to the city fund.
So, I was hoping to compare.
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The point is, it's one big pot that is spent across the entire parish.
See above.
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The budget changes every year and is voted upon by the entire parish. That includes elected leaders from SG. The budget passed unanimously last year.
We've been down this road.
Just post the numbers. They will speak for themselves.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:28 am to novabill
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Nobody in the proposed city of St. George pays the CATS tax.
My bad, I thought it did.
I wonder how such mis-information continues to be spread?
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:41 am to Asgard Device
So who is going to get to sell all that info from the petition drives? Ya boy Lionel or Mr.BW? All the addresses, emails, even phone numbers. There is going to be some sales calls lighting up the SG area lines soon. Have fun with the telemarketers.
Also if the petition you signed has the legal description of the existing boundaries then it has to become void due to the fact you signed an incorrect representation of the current legal boundaries.
Also if the petition you signed has the legal description of the existing boundaries then it has to become void due to the fact you signed an incorrect representation of the current legal boundaries.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:41 am to moneyg
I don't have "the numbers". It varies every year. What's the point anyway? The council budget can allocate money any way it wants every year. SG has a say in that.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:45 am to Mickey Goldmill
From the Residents Against the Breakaway Facebook:
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For the St. George leadership to argue in every possible venue over the last two weeks that the annexations would invalidate the St. George petition; to hold that position right through a council vote on those annexations, with dozens of speakers denouncing the Council in the strongest possible terms for supposedly interfering with the petition process; to do all this, and then turn around immediately after the vote and admit that “after meeting with out legal team over the last several days, we now believe this does not invalidate our petition."
This reflects what can only be considered duplicity and a basic lack of integrity.
The St. George leadership pretended to believe that the annexations would interfere with the petition, merely to influence the outcome of the vote in their favor, and then admitted immediately afterward that they were being dishonest simply as an attempt to gain a favorable outcome.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:46 am to Asgard Device
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I wonder how such mis-information continues to be spread?
I thought I remembered that being part of the debate here on tigerdroppings.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:53 am to novabill
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I thought I remembered that being part of the debate here on tigerdroppings.
It was and bad, emotionally driven, information prevailed then, too.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:56 am to Mickey Goldmill
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I don't have "the numbers". It varies every year.
You must have something. You made the following statement:
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The accounting done for the city-parish does keep it separate but most of the taxes go into the city/parish general fund.
Do you know that to be true? Or, are you now saying that you don't know. If you know, can you put it in dollars for me?
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What's the point anyway? The council budget can allocate money any way it wants every year. SG has a say in that.
It matters as it relates to whether or not St. George would be in a better position incorporating. You know this.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:15 am to moneyg
Do you know what makes up the 9% sales tax in EBR?
Probably not.
4% = State
2%= EBR Schools
0.5%= City/Parish Sewers
0.5%= City/Parish Roads
And 2%= CITY/PARISH GENERAL FUND
If you want specific dollar figures, you probably should look through the 181 page budget from last year. Anything not otherwise dedicated goes into the parish general fund.
Currently if you look at the break down, you have sales taxes from the new casino, the mall, Perkins Rowe, town center etc all "coming from SG". That's such a joke. None of that is "St. George". It's where a group of guys decided to draw a line. The numbers are going to shift significantly after the annexations are approved anyway.
Probably not.
4% = State
2%= EBR Schools
0.5%= City/Parish Sewers
0.5%= City/Parish Roads
And 2%= CITY/PARISH GENERAL FUND
If you want specific dollar figures, you probably should look through the 181 page budget from last year. Anything not otherwise dedicated goes into the parish general fund.
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It matters as it relates to whether or not St. George would be in a better position incorporating. You know this.
Currently if you look at the break down, you have sales taxes from the new casino, the mall, Perkins Rowe, town center etc all "coming from SG". That's such a joke. None of that is "St. George". It's where a group of guys decided to draw a line. The numbers are going to shift significantly after the annexations are approved anyway.
This post was edited on 5/15/14 at 1:22 am
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:24 am to Mickey Goldmill
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None of that is "St. George".
None of it? Zero?
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he numbers are going to shift significantly after the annexations are approved anyway.
Obviously
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:29 am to Mickey Goldmill
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If you want specific dollar figures, you probably should look through the 181 page budget from last year. Anything not otherwise dedicated goes into the parish general fund.
You made the claim that the annexation of mall "keeps that revenue flowing to the entire parish". And you justified that by saying that the majority of sales tax collected in incorporated Baton Rouge goes to the general parish fund.
Is that accurate? Can you support it? You seem to be running from your statement.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 1:31 am to moneyg
Village St. George has always been the area south of Seigan/Perkins near Highland. The leaders of the incorporation don't have a legit claim that their tax dollars are being spent inside the city instead on themselves when they include areas like the Mall of Louisiana. That's total nonsense.
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