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re: The Metro Council declared war on the unincorporated area tonight
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:08 pm to novabill
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:08 pm to novabill
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but you do not like the idea of others self determining their own future.
So you support private entities like the Mall of Louisiana getting to determine their own future? Cool!
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You want to keep them in their place and keep taking their money.
Aren't people in support of St George trying to punish them if they don't pay into THEIR coffers?
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:11 pm to doubleb
quote:What is an "I school"?
I schools start crying for more funding after the latest scandals die down.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:15 pm to doubleb
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And you believe BR taxes have leveled off?
No, I don't - but I think it is reasonable to assume taxes will be higher in St George. I think as far as city and parish governments, the St. George organizers have done irreparable damage to both incorporated and un-incorporated areas. In terms of schools, I think they've helped the un-incorporated areas by speeding up a process that is already in motion ever since EBR stopped desegregation.
I also think that trying to grab a city fiefdom has guaranteed that a ISD will not happen in the next 10 years. They've created an "us vs. them" strategy which helps get a new city but alienates the parish voters that would be needed in order to create an ISD. It's a shame too. If you look at my early posts on the subject I was okay with the ISD but vehemently against incorporation. Also when they first started talking about getting a break-away school system I guaranteed the board that incorporation was the end-goal and was laughed out of the room. The incorporation efforts will continue no matter what and the un-incoproated areas will no longer enjoy getting the brunt of infrastructure projects but they may still get to enjoy he lowest taxes in the region.
It remains yet to be seen what will become of the schools. I don't believe that changing the name or administrators will magically cause students to behave and perform better.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:16 pm to Kramer26
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If they think the push to incorporate St. George was ended tonight they are dead wrong. It's not over, the battle has just begun. Go St. George!
IMO the City-Parish should annex every unincorporated piece of land within the Parish to Baton Rouge, allow the other incorporated cities the choice to either to become part of Baton Rouge the city or to secede from the Parish altogether and become independent cities - and fricking be done with it.
Having a joint City-Parish government when the City and Parish are not coterminous is just, kinda, dumb if you ask me.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:17 pm to Asgard Device
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So you support private entities like the Mall of Louisiana getting to determine their own future?
Sure. They should have the right to secede from the United States and become independent Mall Nations if they want to.
I'm declaring my lot in New Orleans to be no longer part of incorporated New Orleans. Tired of paying taxes.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:35 pm to ASTL
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Are those in opposition of St. George against it because of tax dollars?
The common theme among anti-SG: kids in magnet school, no kids and love downtown (or any gov't funded entertainment), skin in the gov't game.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:37 pm to lsu13lsu
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(or any gov't funded entertainment)
Hey, if you're against government funded entertainment, then maybe you should visit one of IB Freeman's threads. :)
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:39 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Sure. They should have the right to secede from the United States and become independent Mall Nations if they want to.
I'm declaring my lot in New Orleans to be no longer part of incorporated New Orleans. Tired of paying taxes.
All of these would be neat scenarios full of political comedy, but unfortunately, there's no legal framework in place that allows it.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Also, why do SG people think they are entitled to the Mall of Louisiana? It makes zero sense.
You think they are entitled to zero of it?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:48 pm to Kramer26
Which is worse.. terrorism, or war?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:49 pm to doubleb
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Yes, city leaders just raised taxes by carving out a special taxing district for CATS. It proves the city can be creative and I saw that as a dangerous precedent. I'd be worried if ibhad property in the city.
Second, the annexations bring in some new revenues, but they are dedicated to certain entities. None to the schools which are hurting for money.
I schools start crying for more funding after the latest scandals die down.
You cited one single new tax that was passed a couple years ago. Again, do you have any real information that suggests new taxes are coming?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:53 pm to moneyg
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You think they are entitled to zero of it?
I don't think either the City-Parish Government of EBR or the proposed SG is "entitled" to it. The Mall of Louisiana serves the entire region and they should be able to decided if they want to be a part of a new city or not. They chose.
Keeping the MoL in the Baton Rouge City Limits keeps that revenue flowing to the ENTIRE PARISH rather than just for a small made up "community". SG people will still receive tax dollars from the MoL even after the annexation goes through.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 10:56 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I don't think either the City-Parish Government of EBR or the proposed SG is "entitled" to it. The Mall of Louisiana serves the entire region and they should be able to decided if they want to be a part of a new city or not. They chose.
I thought you were talking about who was entitled to have the revenue.
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Keeping the MoL in the Baton Rouge City Limits keeps that revenue flowing to the ENTIRE PARISH rather than just for a small made up "community".
Please explain that.
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SG people will still receive tax dollars from the MoL even after the annexation goes through.
What tax dollars are you referring to?
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:03 pm to moneyg
Why does a newly formed group of private citizens who joined together from a very small area which originally did not include the Mall all of a sudden "deserve" or feel entitled to the tax revenue that the mall produces?
Do you understand how the EBR Consolidated Government works?
If the Mall of Louisiana stays unincorporated, the sales taxes go to the City-Parish Budget.
If the Mall of Louisiana is annexed into the City Limits of Baton Rouge, the sales taxes go to the City-Parish Budget.
If the Mall of Louisiana is incorporated into St. George, the local sales taxes go ONLY to the St. George city limits.
Do you understand how the EBR Consolidated Government works?
If the Mall of Louisiana stays unincorporated, the sales taxes go to the City-Parish Budget.
If the Mall of Louisiana is annexed into the City Limits of Baton Rouge, the sales taxes go to the City-Parish Budget.
If the Mall of Louisiana is incorporated into St. George, the local sales taxes go ONLY to the St. George city limits.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:06 pm to moneyg
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Please explain that.
The proposed city of St. George is IN EBR Parish.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
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The proposed city of St. George is IN EBR Parish.
It totally amazes me how these SG people have been brainwashed into this City of SG vs City of BR thing. It's like they don't understand it doesn't work like that when BR is a consolidated government with EBR.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:09 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It totally amazes me how these SG people have been brainwashed into this City of SG vs City of BR thing. It's like they don't understand it doesn't work like that when BR is a consolidated government with EBR.
No shite. Its the fricking OPPOSITE of what they are claiming. The council members from OUTSIDE the BR city limits have just as much say over the laws IN BR city limits as the council members from district IN BR city limits. The St. George councilmembers get to vote on what happens inside the city of Baton Rouge - and they claim that Baton Rouge doesn't allow them a voice! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!
If I were a federal judge and someone from BR city sued the City-Parish government claiming its unconstitutional to allow representatives from outside of the city sit on the City Council - I would agree and invalidate the entire government.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:18 pm to Mike da Tigah
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And that's what the Boomer legacy is. Disposable debt driven society.. It's just a damn shame their city isn't too big to fail.
How in the Hell is any of this the Boomers' fault? Some of you people are simply pathetic.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:28 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It totally amazes me how these SG people have been brainwashed into this City of SG vs City of BR thing. It's like they don't understand it doesn't work like that when BR is a consolidated government with EB
If someone was selling you unicorns and rainbows, wouldn't you want in on it too? All the accusations of shady practices by Baton Rouge leadership, when they are marching around carrying a torch for the shadiest people in this ordeal
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:29 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Others determining their own future like private business owners?
Also, why do SG people think they are entitled to the Mall of Louisiana? It makes zero sense.
You and russian supporting BR doing all they can to keep SG from happening. Why not let the people decide what THEY want?
Let's be honest BR wants SG money that is the only reason. THE ONLY REASON.
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