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re: The Location of the Shooter of the 1st shot can be inarguably found

Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:56 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:56 pm to
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You were also exposed in an open room with a decent chance that someone will notice or record movement either from outside or from inside.
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Yeah. Good luck finding videos of that middle area. What’s NOT out there is extremely telling. And the video I screen grabbed the blurry pic, conveniently was edit stopped at that precise frame.
Posted by LakeCharles
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:18 pm to
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Bret Weinstein is one of the highest IQ people in American public life and my rationale is that if he believes John Cullen solved the Las Vegas shooting and if BW thinks that John Cullen's theories here make sense, I have a hard time taking that PLUS my initial agreement with John Cullen's explanation and tossing it in the trash for your analysis. I've tried to understand your reasons and I respect your passion but it just doesn't make sense to me. That first shot was definitely going left to right IMO (from Crooks / Tree / Water tower towards hydraulic lift).


Neither john cullen or Bret also know jack about firearms. I listened to the podcast and Bret never questioned anything. No question about where a BB might have come from since .223 is not a shotgun gauge. No question about debris from a teleprompter that there is no evidence of being hit. And no questions about the statement that a .223 round passing by close enough to clip his ear would "tear his face off" - no wonder my paper targets keep turning to confetti with the first shot - not.


This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 7:23 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:24 pm to
Reviewing slo mo video again. Craziest fricking thing ever. Trying to make sense of where it was deflecting to and thru first. Still convinced it hit railing spot first.
Posted by captdalton
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:26 pm to
A different day, a different theory.

You are just trolling the shite out of this place.

But you have gotten pages of responses, so it is good for business I guess.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:27 pm to
That's a good theory I like that. That pseudo window is higher and would be a perfect hidden vantage point
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:29 pm to
Chad, I don't always follow what you say, but I sincerely appreciate your work and sincerity.

Rather than start a new topic on this, I am curious what your latest theory is on the identity of the dead person on the roof.

Among many things that I find disturbing is the lack of attribution and description of the one close up allegedly showing a dead Crooks on the roof. Who took it? When?

Did they change the angle of his head relative to the roof? The overhead helicopter photo (when was that taken?) and the blurred out headcam images appear to show the corpse face down. The closeup, however, shows the head resting on the left cheek.

Finally, most descriptions of the fatal shot describe it as a head shot (above the eye or just above the mouth). In the roof headcam video, however, the officer clearly says he was hit in the neck:

LINK

24:16 "Clean round through the neck."

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:35 pm to
You should enjoy this discussion. We have video of shot 1 hitting the railing bleachers. I’m explaining to yall where I think it first hits in bleachers then the crazy deflections begin thru people. It’s chaotic and nuts. When you get two points on a gun fire (first trumps ear), you’re the pro… no need to explain anything else to you. You should try not being a dipshit and learn to listen a bit. I truly read everyone’s thoughts and digest them and process it.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:36 pm to
If that deceased pic is legit… sure looks like yearick. Bullet hole essentially left eye through back of neck
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:38 pm to
Thx
Posted by Asleepinthecove
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:38 pm to
One thing I find that is hard to get past is the first 3 shots and how distinctly different they sounded from the next 5. Also, looking at the trajectory of the first shot, it’s hard to not believe that the shot could have come from one of the windows. Considering the stage is probably 3-4 feet off of the ground and then with Trump being 6’3’’. That means that the 1st shot, if it had come from the rooftop, would have been traveling downward vs upward. It appears that the first shot was moving upward, as it hit Trumps ear at about 8-9 feet above the ground and then hit the top rail of the stands. I would like to know the height from the ground up to the point where the bullet made contact on the railing.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Schmelly
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:40 pm to
And they ALL missed??? Riiiiight. Looney toon
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:40 pm to
If the hit spot on bleachers is higher than Trump’s ear then it has to be some sort of elevated type trajectory.
Posted by RustedToyota
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:45 pm to
Couldn’t the FBI test for gun shot residue at the windows? I guess it’s too late to test the washed roof. AR style rifles also expel gasses out of the ejection port so would there be GSR in the room?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:49 pm to
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Couldn’t the FBI


There is way more truth known than things being told. It’s a game of what they can sell and spin to the public without disrupting our government stability. That’s all I will say.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:56 pm to
Where were the two wounded men sitting? Behind Trump on his R or L? L bleachers or R? How high in the bleachers? Where on their bodies?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:58 pm to
Looking at Trump, it’s right bleachers. Watch the twitter video of them all getting hit from deflected bullet.
Posted by Asleepinthecove
Lafayette
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:00 pm to
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If the hit spot on bleachers is higher than Trump’s ear then it has to be some sort of elevated type trajectory


Correct, meaning the shot came from closer to the ground traveling upward vs from the rooftop, probably 12-13 ft, traveling downward. When you take that into account and the distinct sounds of the first 3 rounds vs the next 5, it makes you wonder if the 2nd gunman theory is accurate.

The only other thing I can think of, that might have caused the variation in sound, is the shooter on the roof took the first 3 shots in the prone position and then stood up or was on a knee for the next 5 and the gun against the roof stifled the sound vs standing up, creating a greater echo. This still wouldn’t explain the trajectory of the first shot.

Also, not to mention, it doesn’t help that the video shows the guy counting 5 bullet casings initially and then 20 minutes later counting 8. That definitely won’t put the conspiracy theories to rest.
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 8:02 pm
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:03 pm to
Two more questions:

What do you make of the state police moving Corey's obviously lifeless body away from the murder scene without doing any forensics?

Seems like criminal investigation 101 was violated by that...like many other things with Butler.

Do you think we'll ever see a ballistic report accounting for all/most of the bullets?
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 8:06 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:07 pm to
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What do you make of the state police moving Corey's obviously lifeless body away from the murder scene without doing any forensics?


Maybe just good intentions not great idea but don’t think that was a deliberate malfeasance.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:11 pm to
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Maybe just good intentions not great idea but don’t think that was a deliberate malfeasance.


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