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Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:00 pm to kingbob
quote:you forgot the financial collapse that happeneded on his watch that lead directly to BHO.
t's like they think conservatives will suddenly agree with them if George W. Bush does. W didn't end his term as one of the most hated presidents of all time just because democrats didn't like him. He betrayed his base big time. Even if we still think he'd be a cool guy to drink a beer and watch a Rangers game with, he was an absolute traitor to the conservative cause with programs like TARP, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, and the Patriot Act.
I imagine I feel the same way about W that most democrats feel about Jimmy Carter. He was a nice guy, but a terrible terrible president.
I voted for uncle George.... mostly bc I thought he was conservative and a better than choice than John Kerry. Turns out, they’re both globalist pieces of shite and I hope Donnie 9 inch goes in dry on these scumbag traitors
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:00 pm to Lakeboy7
Looks like you avoided his valid point.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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whataboutism
You have mistaken me kind sir I am just pointing out hypocrisy. The Democrats of full of idiotic ideals that are ruing the country just as much
Democrats = terrible
Republicans = terrible
so therefore Republicans = Democrats
calling out one side for hypocrisy is a pot kettle situation if I've ever seen one.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
W is their ally because he's no longer a threat.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:01 pm to BBONDS25
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What a strange response.
You hit him with the truth. He knows it. Says something totally unrelated to change subject.
The liberal way.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And now that they are exalting W as a wise and sage man, they forgot how their leader told us the Russians were no threat at all and that anyone thinking so was living in the past.
It really is something how these people can do a complete 180 and they keep the full support of the MSM.
It really is something how these people can do a complete 180 and they keep the full support of the MSM.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:02 pm to mindbreaker
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calling out one side for hypocrisy is a pot kettle situation if I've ever seen one.
Honestly, the cry of hypocrisy from anyone in or paying attention to politics is just lazy, low-hanging fruit. We're all hypocrites to some degree. Using hypocrisy as a political bludgeon is tired and ineffective IMO.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I think it's deeper than using W. as a means to criticize Trump. I think you're seeing an actual paradigm shift in politics, where neocons and neolibs are in agreement on most issues, particularly those involving an interventionist foreign policy abroad and unchecked mass surveillance at home.
The Republican Party today is, thankfully, becoming more like Rand Paul than it is Bush and the neocons he surrounded himself with. I think that trend will continue, especially when old neocons like McCain leave office. Contrast that with the Bush people. Many of them are Never Trumpers. Almost all of W's advisors openly campaigned for Hillary Clinton. The Democrats, in their zeal to opppse Trump, have gotten in bed with the most illiberal and autocratic faction of the Republican Party.
The Republican Party today is, thankfully, becoming more like Rand Paul than it is Bush and the neocons he surrounded himself with. I think that trend will continue, especially when old neocons like McCain leave office. Contrast that with the Bush people. Many of them are Never Trumpers. Almost all of W's advisors openly campaigned for Hillary Clinton. The Democrats, in their zeal to opppse Trump, have gotten in bed with the most illiberal and autocratic faction of the Republican Party.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:07 pm to BeeFense5
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I’m surprised salmon hasn’t commented on this total role reversal by the Dems.
Oh wait no I’m not. he only calls out the right on here.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:09 pm to Lakeboy7
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Maybe W stood still and the party moved right?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Your entire thread is one big Whataboutism.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:34 pm to SCLibertarian
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The Republican Party today is, thankfully, becoming more like Rand Paul than it is Bush
That must be why the party elected a Democrat from New York.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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This guy on face value represents everything a liberal thinks is wrong: christian fundamentalism in law-making, surveillance states
Dude, liberals absolutely LOVE surveillance states... as long as they are the ones surveying
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
That must be why the party elected a Democrat from New York.
I agree nothing he has done has been conservative
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Maybe they're finally seeing him for who he is... a big government progressive Republican. They're cool with that.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Whataboutism in this case is actually your entire point. You’re criticizing people for doing the exact same thing you’re doing.
Only difference is one fits your narrative and one doesn’t.
Only difference is one fits your narrative and one doesn’t.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
"Bush lied, people died"
And him, his dad, and his brother just couldn't wait to jump on that train with those communists
And him, his dad, and his brother just couldn't wait to jump on that train with those communists
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don't know how he has it in him to forgive these people.
Actually Bush forgiving these people is a sign that he does not share the same mindset that conservatives have today and had during his Presidency.
You should think less of him if he forgives them.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
i could see how his work with amfar could redeem him in the eyes of some.
but not mine. frick that guy.
but not mine. frick that guy.
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