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re: The Left is making such a HUGE mistake here. Most just want to blow off steam online.

Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:25 am to
Posted by ashleymeggan
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:25 am to
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And what are you basing this off of?



Well, John Louis had his head smashed in trying to vote as did others. When the events in Selma led to LBJ signing the Voting Rights Act, he said that the Democrats had lost the South for a generation - and he was right. The most reprehensible of the old Dixiecrats were welcomed with open arms in the the GOP. Beyond simply gerrymandering the shite out of districts when they get control of state ledges, they’ve gone out of their way to see if various voting restrictions will hold up in court. In North Carolina, the federal court found they had used “surgical-like precisio” to go after black voters. Before drafting their voter ID laws, they did extensive studies to find out what types of id black people were least likely to have while making sure a white person who maybe lost their license on election day would have no problem voting. In Georgia and Texas, they closed polling locations in minority areas.

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Are you referring to the riots in Seattle, Portland, DC in June, Kenosha that left many dead and billions in property damage?


778 million of the $1.4 billion caused in damages was covered by insurance which left taxpayers with a smaller bill than the annual cost of police misconduct settlements. I’m not sure which deaths you’re talking about - the ones we were protesting? The killing and maiming of protestors with “less lethal” weapons that were suspiciously absent during the terrorist attack on the capitol? Or Kyle Rittenhouse? What are you talking about? That one Proud Boy who got shot when he came at a guy in Portland with a weapon himself?

Stop trying to equivocate. Over 15 million protested the death of George Floyd - making it the largest protest movement in American history. For God’s sake, VIDOR, Texas had a BLM protest. There was a legitimate grievance. Police have been getting away with it for years. They’ve been killing black people with impunity and Trump’s response was to make it illegal for any federal agency, including law enforcement, to do any sort of training on implicit bias. Maybe that’s ANOTHER reason that he got his arse handed to him by Joe Biden, which he did. The terrorist attack on the capitol was NOT the same - I don’t care if Louie Gohmert (dumbest man in congress) said “be violent like BLM.” That attack was because they lost an election, were lied to by Dear Leader and his idiot goons, and reacted violently.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:27 am to
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I don’t believe hate speech, inciting violence and organizing a take over of the US Capitol are protected rights


According to Madison and Jefferson they absolutely were...

They said, in so many words, if we suck so bad someone wants to kill us, then maybe we do.
Posted by GregoryD
Member since Dec 2016
421 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:27 am to
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The left can't take a single step without tripping over their own hypocrisy.

"Accuse others of what you're guilty of".


LOL, that's Trump's motto, not mine.

It's no coincidence that when Republicans hear that blacks are engaged to vote that they have a bad feeling about their chances. Maybe don't run on a racist platform or something.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:32 am to
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which he did


No he didn't

I do agree cops kill with impunity, and should be hedged harshly, but statistically they kill crackers more often, and rough up blacks a little more.

The training crap is a waste of tax dollars...all they have to do is hold cops to the same standards as everyone else. That's on the DAs...in almost ALL blue cities.
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
29988 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:32 am to
There were like 12 police officers shot during and in connection with the "civil unrest" throughout the country, 3 of which died, and I believe I saw one would be on a ventilator the remainder of his life.
Posted by the whyrly byrd
Member since Oct 2020
301 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 12:33 am to
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It's not my plan and I'm not going to enforce it.


But you seem to think there is a plan. What exactly is it and how you will you enforce it? I'm still waiting...

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FIVETHIRTYEIGHT


Fake news.

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USA Today

Lol, really fake news.
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As more and more of the video from the

It was the biggest political mistake anyone has made in quite a while... and I'm not sure there's one in modern times that even comes close.


Nobody cares, lol. There is no outrage on main street. All the talking points you are parroting are merely echo chamber bullet points designed to build your little lunatic wacko Leftist consensus. People think most politicians in D.C. are corrupt lowlifes. Trump's most basic appeal was the fact that he was not a career politician. People inherently trust him more precisely for this reason and this reason alone. Very few trust the media. Witness what happened to Fox. Their ratings were wiped out overnight. Most hate the mainstream press and consider them little more than liars and propagandists. Congress and the media consistently poll way lower than the President in terms of approval. It's not even really close. That's why Trump's approval went up after the D.C. protests. His bump in ratings is actually a response to the hatred and dislike people have for both the media and Congress.

In terms of your little plan of labeling millions of Americans "domestic terrorists" because of what looks like a false flag, you sound like a lunatic. It will never happen. But if it did, it probably would not work out the way you think. Speaking of Al Qaeda/Taliban, the U.S. military has been in Afghanistan for 20 years, and the Taliban still control at least half the country. Probably more, but the Pentagon no longer wants to tell us how badly the U.S. trained Afghan forces are getting their arse kicked there. When the last U.S. official leaves that country it will be from the rooftop of the Embassy on a helicopter while the Taliban mops up the remaining Afghan government forces. That's why Trump tried to pull us out of there. It's an unwinnable war. Keeping the above in mind, the notion that there is the political will and manpower to somehow label and criminalize millions of law abiding citizens as "domestic terrorists" because of what happened in D.C. is utter stupidity.

You sound like you have no real-world knowledge, really. Streets don't work the way you think they do. Cops don't go into certain areas of Chicago and Atlanta. Every little town has certain areas that are more policed than others and it has to do not with laws, but with the real balance of power and muscle on the street. Turn tens of millions of people into criminals, label them as "domestic terrorists" and there will be a lot more streets the police will start avoiding. The reality is that civilization is a very thin veneer over human nature's more basic primitive urges. Most people just want to be left alone to do their own thing. Politics is secondary or even tertiary. Many don't think about it all, but they might have family members that do. Probably most do. How do you think they will react when they find out Granny and Papa are going to jail because they went to a MAGA rally or have a Trump flag in their yard and because of this are now "terrorists"? Wanna get your arse kicked? That's where kind of stuff you are talking about goes...

Like I said, stop reading the Democratic Underground. Stop sounding like a lunatic. Your little fantasy will never come to pass, and if it is attempted it will not turn out the way you think it will.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 12:35 am
Posted by DaDudeAbides
Member since Nov 2020
796 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:35 am to
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LOL, that's Trump's motto, not mine.


LOL, that's your entire party's motto.

Believe survivors... but not those raped by Joe Biden, beaten by Keith Ellison, harrassed by Andrew Cuomo, raped by Justin Fairfax, raped by an advisor Hillary shielded from accusations or the kids Kamala essentially allowed to be molested by priests in San Francisco, etc...

Taking over the Capitol is bad... but inflicting upwards of $3 billion in nation wide damages (over the summer and not counting all the riots prior to that), barricading cops in a burning building, occupying city blocks, destroying/vandalizing federal monuments, gang jumping  innocent people, tossing bricks at the White House, leaving decapitated animal carcasses on the doorsteps of DHS staff members, etc. etc. etc. isn't.

Inciting violence is bad... LOL there is no comparison between the two given how much violence you degenerates incited over the course of the last four years. I'll ban bet you on this.

Disrupting the electoral certification process is bad... but trying to disrupt the Kavanaugh nomination isn't nor is outright threatening to burn Washington down and physically removing Trump yourselves isn't.

Locking children in cages is bad... but not when Obama did it.

Separating families is bad... but not when Kamala separated them by locking up single moms over truancy.

Cancel those who wore blackface... except for Ralph Northam.

The children... except for those Obama placed in the hands of human traffickers as well as the little girl who was threatened for making teddy bears for children of fallen police officers and the countless kids in MAGA hats adults attacked/harassed/assaulted.

No human being is illegal... but never mind more deportations occurred in Obama's first term than Trump's.

Net neutrality... lol.

"Muh Black Lives Matter"... but only the 0.00001% killed by police.

Censoring and attacking the media is bad... but frick Fox News; ban them from the democratic primary debates.

Presidents shouldn't say mean things... except for lying dog-faced pony soldier, too old and fat to vote for me, you're full of shite, can't enter a 711 without an Indian accent, etc. etc. etc.

Attacking politicians is bad... unless you're harassing them as they're leaving a rally, sending death threats or ricin letters, trying to run them off the roads, punching them at BLM protests, etc. etc.

Say no to toxic masculinity... unless a guy shoots a 24 year old mom for saying "all lives matter", sucker punches an old woman just for supporting Trump, shoots at groups of Trump supporters on a corner, etc.

No homophobia... unless it's homophobic attacks on Milo, Lyndsey Graham, the Walk Away Founder as he's leaving a DC rally, etc....

Don't object election results... unless it's Trump in 2016 or Bush in 2005...

Stay home, save lives... unless you're protesting a piece of shite rapist getting shot by cops.

No baseless conspiracy theories... except for Russian collusion and any theories brought forth by "anonymous sources"

Anti-semitism is bad... but let's invite an outspoken Jew hater in Jacob Blake Senior to lecture the world on "civil rights".

"Muh constitution"... but free speech doesn't apply to anyone who opposes the senile pederast Biden and the constitution is outdated.

Jacob Blake's past crimes can't be held against him... but frick Thomas Jefferson; remove him from history over his past crimes.

Just because Jacob Blake raped a woman in front of her kid doesn't mean he deserved to be shot... but Jessica Doty Whitaker deserved to die for saying "All Lives Matter"...

White men are terrorists... but there's nothing wrong with 12.7% of the population committing 54.4% of all murders.

Proud Boys is bad... but Antifa is just an idea and BLM is a peaceful organization.

LOL Do I need to continue?

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It's no coincidence that when Republicans hear that blacks are engaged to vote that they have a bad feeling about their chances. Maybe don't run on a racist platform or something.


Describe this "racist" platform in detail.

Because it certainly doesn't involve: "You ain't black". "Racial Jungle". "So some black woman could stock shelves". "Unlike the black community, the latino community is more diverse with different t attitudes about different things". Asking black reporters if they smoke crack? The "Uncle Tom", "C00n" and "porch m----y" insults black conservatives receive when they aren't being beaten, attacked, threatened or ran out of restaurants by liberal mobs. Or did CNN fail to inform you about these attacks?

It also doesn't involve ironically voting for the man literally responsible for every single crime and economic policy you protest today you claim disproportionately affects black voters? Never mind he left office as VP with record black poverty rates and almost every single goddamn ghetto in America is controlled by Democrats.

But... "muh racist platform".
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:48 am
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
482 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 1:53 am to
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In terms of your little plan of labeling millions of Americans "domestic terrorists" because of what looks like a false flag,


Who is the FBI rounding up at the moment? Whose friends, co-workers and relatives are turning them in?

Who's losing their jobs or facing boycotts of their businesses if identified?

Who is being placed on no-fly lists (and half the people here have said things that may qualify them, which is probably why people were requesting a way to nuke their entire accounts here)?

Read the rest of the board... people are freaking out about being targeted... throw out the MAGA hat and be a normal Republican and all that goes away...

because

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Most people just want to be left alone to do their own thing.


Are you going to the mat for a lost cause President or a LARP insider who's AWOL when the shite got real?

or are you already a radicalized far-right group member (I advise you not to answer yes if you are) who will commit violence... and not just do your own thing?

Trump will wither and fade.

QAnon should probably do the same but it will evolve to focus on candidate Lin Wood or somebody, instead...

Your daily life will be no different for the most part than it is now. 4chan kids will get bored with DDOSing Gab and you can blow off steam there... but I'd keep it sane.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:56 am
Posted by GregoryD
Member since Dec 2016
421 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:08 am to
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LOL, that's your entire party's motto


I don't have a party, short stack, I just genuinely enjoy the sheer and utter joy your childlike minds exude as you repeat your same stupid mantras over and over again like you're in church and your little Trumpy antichrist is your pastor.

You will never learn and that's why you will ultimately always lose the culture war. Conservatives have an entire election conference set up by ALEC specifically to figure out how to eff with the vote to limit voting from "undesirables" like minorities, and poor communities. This year they even had special classes on how to contest unfavorable elections! Maybe they needed better teachers or something. God only knows the students were subpar.

Posted by ashleymeggan
Member since Jun 2019
143 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:15 am to
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I do agree cops kill with impunity, and should be hedged harshly, but statistically they kill crackers more often, and rough up blacks a little more.

The training crap is a waste of tax dollars...all they have to do is hold cops to the same standards as everyone else. That's on the DAs...in almost ALL blue cities.


The police kill unarmed black men at a wildly disproportionate rate. They kill white people more often bc there are more of them. Black people are pulled over, searched, and arrested at a disproportionate rates. This is stuff we know.

I flipped the frick out when I heard that “defund the police” shite. Nobody can take an idea and make it sound horrible like the left. Truth be told, the right has been defunding education and health for decades - which ultimately leads to a shittier population and more stress on police, but I digress. The Republicans would have NEVER been successful if they were out in the streets shouting “DEFUND THE TEACHERS” or “DEFUND THE NICU.” For fricks sake, that’s not even a good solution. Demilitarize the police, yes. Defund, NO. God no.. We actually need to pay police more and decrease what we’re asking them to do.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:18 am to
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Demilitarize the police, yes. Defund, NO. God no.. We actually need to pay police more and decrease what we’re asking them to do.


Agreed. And anyone who believes in freedom should agree as well.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
482 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:37 am to
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Demilitarize the police, yes. Defund, NO. God no.. We actually need to pay police more and decrease what we’re asking them to do.



Agreed. And anyone who believes in freedom should agree as well.




Very much agreed!

Also - and this is actually a big thing that creates a lot of the incidents that are problematic - stop making Police Officers be quota-meeting municipal revenue generators/collectors. They are sent out to find infractions and write tickets to bring in cash... and, of course, that's going to impact the lower-income communities more than the affluent communities, who - even if they are speeding or whatever - will spend $5000 to get out of a $125 ticket on principle. So profiling becomes a part of it... an older car will probably have something that can be ticketed, so just pull it over and see...
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 2:39 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
29988 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 2:45 am to
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and, of course, that's going to impact the lower-income communities more than the affluent communities,

You'd think so, especially like you said further along about the less fortunate amongst us perhaps having multiple infractions basically due to failure (sure, or inability) to keep vehicle "up to date". They literally and unimaginatively call those "money tickets".

HOWEVER...the popos know those folks can't pay the fines, and in many if not most places these days, a court cannot jail a person for failure to pay the fine due to financial inability. Yes, the court in that situation does a surface level examination of the person's financial status for that determination.

What does that leave us with? Leaves us with speed traps being set up between the hours of, say, 7 am and 9 am, and 4 pm and 6 pm....you guessed it, to tag working people who are obviously more likely to pay.
Posted by diat150
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Member since Jun 2005
43500 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:19 am to
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778 million of the $1.4 billion caused in damages was covered by insurance which left taxpayers with a smaller bill than the annual cost of police misconduct settlements.


Wow, you are stupid
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27882 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:39 am to
What's going to happen, the right will soon set up a means of communication nationwide that can't be monitored. I have an idea how to do it. Necessity is the mother of invention, and they have brought on the necessity.
Posted by the whyrly byrd
Member since Oct 2020
301 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:41 am to
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Read the rest of the board... people are freaking out about being targeted... throw out the MAGA hat and be a normal Republican and all that goes away...



MAGA isn't going anywhere. This totally inane censorship crackdown on the part of these technocratic fascists of the Left isn't going work. It will fail. Why? Because Trump's style of populism is an organic movement based upon legitimate concerns and grievances. Trump is just a conspicuous symbol upon which Leftists are fixated. It is far too complicated an issue to tackle here in a discussion with an obvious troll and know-nothing, but be advised the political dynamics favor Trump and his supporters greatly. Like I said, your entire perspective seems like little more than wishful thinking and fantasy, a product of Leftist media echo chamber, corruption, and fraud. The consensus built via this corruption is a house of cards waiting to collapse. It lacks true verve and ideological force. What you just saw and are seeing on the part of the Establishment is little more than a wild attempt to maintain power and the status quo through desperate acts of illegality and treason. If they make the mistake of doubling down on these people with legit grievances through police-state tactics that you suggested, their destruction will 100 percent be assured and inevitable. In fact, I'm hoping the Left does exactly what you have suggested. Nothing would satisfy me more than watching the low-iq Democratic goons, their corporate proxies, and constituents stir up the hornets nest with the tactics you suggest.

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Are you going to the mat for a lost cause President or a LARP insider who's AWOL when the shite got real?


This is another mistake that Establishment types make. They invent a straw man, project it own to their opponents, and then inevitably start believing their own propaganda. This is in essence why their entire ideology is an empty husk of shallow corporatism, sloganeering, and faux-movements like getting grown men into little girls bathrooms or debating the merits of pronouns, as if any of that stuff confers any type of real substance. The ideological enemy that you have invented in your mind doesn't exist, so it is little wonder that in many ways the rhetoric of the Left seems detached from reality. Such a perspective can only compete in the world of ideas where there is no real debate. This is of course why the Left favors authoritarianism. It's just too bad that throughout history all such attempts at authoritarianism fail in less than a generation. Actually, less than that. Decades maybe. Collapse is nearly inevitable now. It's too bad. Sad.

Let me ask you a question? Do you think you can create a better model of social control than the Soviets? A better education system to indoctrinate? A better gulag? A more efficient secret police? These are all the thing that authoritarianism trend toward, but even with all their vast ideological resources and state control, the Soviet regime collapsed. Yet here we are with corporatist clowns attempting something similar in the U.S. with a much more volatile and less docile population than Russians who were conditioned through hundreds of years of serfdom to accept such authoritarianism. Not only with you fail, your not even politically relevant. Your very modernist perspective is an anachronism that is eclipsed by the very technology it seeks to deploy for purpose of control.

This conversation, for example, probably disturbs you. Why? Because you have never really truly considered what can happen next in the very real sense from a humanist perspective. Not just politically, but in terms of the human condition that would make the old ways of control obsolete or the new ones unnecessary. You have probably never stopped to really consider why you feel the way you do or what happens when the old paradigms fail to predict behavior. Trump is a symbol to the Left of all that ideological uncertainty. Their angst at the breaking either/or logic which modernist paradigms depend upon to really function. Duopolies like what we have are symptom of that, but it's over. You can stop Trump, but the collapse will continue because the paradigm shift taking place is occurring through technological decentralization. The media know this. This is the real drive behind destroying Parler, Gab, etc. But it won't work without totally pulling back the veil and revealing jackbooted authoritarianism. That's the poison pill. However, virtual economies and societies can't be massaged like that. It's just not possible without destroying the technology itself, so it's a fool's game on the part of Apple, Android, etc. to de-list Parler. They are just ensuring the end-around is accelerated.

China has a system like that, but it's all a facade. "A Great Firewall." But it's chaos there on the streets with virtual black markets everywhere for any kind of vice or illegality that your hearts desire. There system is only ideologically controlled, but all other vice is allowed. You can steal, cheat, cameras are everywhere, there is no privacy, whatever.. as long as you are "communist" it doesn't matter. A certain amount of corruption is even expected, or you are not considered a hard worker. Sure they lock people up for ideological dissent, but nobody cares because everybody does what they want anyway. The U.S. is just the opposite. It's Puritanical, even arbitrarily so. There are laws for everything and there is very advanced public-private profit driven prison cooperative. But in the U.S. people are intellectually and socially free. The U.S. is the exact opposite of China, so that type of system will not work here. To take way America's social, political, and intellectual freedom would be to take away everything, and it would be a kind of brutal repression well beyond what China currently has. You know what they say about a man that has nothing to lose, right? Honestly, if the Chinese were in fact policed like America and the West, their system would collapse overnight. But the Chinese are not principled like Westerners and in many ways their people live in less fear of their government. Their government propaganda is also geared toward building up the Chinese psyche. The Left is playing a very dangerous game right now. Turn the screw tighter and watch the wood crack.

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or are you already a radicalized far-right group member (I advise you not to answer yes if you are) who will commit violence... and not just do your own thing?


Spoken like a true ideological goon that you are, but I should say that if there will be violence then it will probably come from the other side. After all, it was the state that opened fire and killed unarmed protestors in D.C. the other day. Even if we accept that action was somehow justified, it does not follow that because the government killed a bunch of protestors that the an entire political movement should therefore be labeled, condemned, and criminalized. It's empty logic. Btw, Antifa/BLM are mostly proxy soldiers of Establishment interests, so we can say the billions in property damage, lives lost, etc., could be considered a kind of official partisan sanctioned violence, especially when you consider that BLM was really just a fund-raising arm of the Democratic Party. Maybe the Democratic Party should be banned.


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Trump will wither and fade.

QAnon should probably do the same but it will evolve to focus on candidate Lin Wood or somebody, instead...


Your opponent is not Trump. Never was. The fact of the matter is that communism is antithetical to the human spirit and condition. There will always be people who fight creeping totalitarianism it all its forms. And they always win. But mostly it's just really inefficient and non-creative shitty system.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 3:43 am
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8500 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 3:51 am to
Drive movements underground and history has shown that is a very bad thing.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31468 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 4:24 am to
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The right


How do you define "the right"?


Your argument (as is the case with nearly every one of your alt-troll posts) is circular, factually inaccurate, tautological, straw-man flogging bullshite.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:00 am to
The right absolutely should hit the streets and protest....they ought not attempt a coup without weapons other than police shields and fire extinguishers they found along the way, that is a HUGE mistake, almost as big a mistake as trying to pull off a coup with more deadly weapons would be. They ought not attempt a coup at all but they absolutely should take to the streets and protest...there is NOTHING more American than doing so.


And the left is indeed making a HUGE tactical mistake in applauding the silencing of the right in social media. The owners of those platforms have every right to do what they will with their property...what they ought not be allowed to do is monopolize the public assets they use to provide their services. That should be a concern for everyone in this country. I don't care how depraved the discussion is it needs to be heard....especially when its being heard utilizing public assets held in collective ownership by everyone in this country. The left is applauding this gag now, they will be screaming like mashed kitties in the future when they find their own voices silenced....and it will happen. The pendulum will swing the other way.

It is far better to have idiots espousing their idiocy in very public venues than it is to have them doing so in private. This is another danger which the left is ignoring. White supremacy has never not been a thing, what was a thing was it was marginalized because the idiots had no real voice. They do now and the light of day is exposing them to the world in a way that they can not hide from....driving them back into the darkness is akin to thinking you have eliminated a roach problem by turning on a light and watching the nasty bastards run for cover. The roach is still there doing what the roach will do...they are far easier to exterminate with the lights on than they are in the dark. The same is true of white supremacists and any one bent on overthrowing the United States. Keep the light on them and people can judge for themselves....and will judge the idiots correctly.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58579 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 5:02 am to
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White supremacy

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white supremacists


Oh for Christ's sake.
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