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re: The Law by Frédéric Bastiat
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:29 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:29 pm to 4cubbies
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I'm not really moralizing any of this. I'm just saying its unnatural and ego-based. We can all draw our own conclusions
Hahaha. I kinda dislike the term "unnatural". I know, I know, everyone uses it. Still, I dislike it. Using it leads us to believe that humans are not natural (existing in or of nature). We are in fact natural and our actions themselves are natural.
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Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:32 pm to Kraut Dawg
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Yet, you're quoting The Law?
As a topic of discussion.
I haven't finished reading it yet.
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These concepts aren't made up. You're wrong. They're real.
Something can be made up and also real. Money is made up. It's also real. A dollar bill only has value because humans collectively agreed that it does. It has no value to dogs. Or ants. Or trees.
There are innumerable other examples just like this.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Power begat laws begat religion begat rights
That’s completely backwards, but otherwise correct.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society
In reality, this is the root of tremendous incivility and conflict
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:35 pm to Prodigal Son
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That’s completely backwards, but otherwise correct.
Did you get this scholarship on rights from Gobekli Tepe or Karahan Tepe ?
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:37 pm to texag7
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Early laws were derived directly from biblical teachings
Human societies had rules for a very long time before any part of the Bible was written or the events depicted in the Bible occurred.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:38 pm to 4cubbies
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This all reinforces that ownership is a social construct.
Ownership, and traits conceptualizing ownership, are present in more evolved species.
The practice of ownership requires two things: (1) evolved intelligence and (2) stationary existence. We see this in even more evolved primates. To suggest that ownership and possession are simply social constructs is incorrect.
This post was edited on 6/22/26 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:39 pm to 4cubbies
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In reality, this is the root of tremendous incivility and conflict
No. Ownership and Private Property are not the root of incivility and conflict.
Envy is.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:39 pm to 4cubbies
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In reality, this is the root of tremendous incivility and conflict
Yeah, he is quoting Rousseau. He thought private property was the cause of most strife.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:39 pm to Robin Masters
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Regarding ownership as a social construct, would a persons raised alone in the wilderness wake every morning and wonder if he can travel with his knife, blanket and canteen OR would he need to consider that he may not have the right to take them since they don’t belong to him.
He would take them because they would be in his possession. It is doubtful that he would clutch them after death or will them to his descendants or other animals he was fond of.
Ownership is perpetual possession, or possession beyond one's immediate need for an item.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:40 pm to UtahCajun
Right. I didn't read the whole post before responding. Happens a lot.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:40 pm to 4cubbies
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In reality, this is the root of tremendous incivility and conflict
You can’t have incivility without civilization and you don’t have civilization without private property ownership.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:40 pm to 4cubbies
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Something can be made up and also real.
You are not a philosopher.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:41 pm to UtahCajun
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Using it leads us to believe that humans are not natural (existing in or of nature). We are in fact natural and our actions themselves are natural.
I think our physical bodies are natural. Our behavior is not.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:42 pm to Kraut Dawg
I am positive that I'm not the first person to understand or suggest that concept.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:43 pm to 4cubbies
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I think our physical bodies are natural. Our behavior is not
Because we are cursed with a higher intelligence that lets us see both the good and the bad in our actions?
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:43 pm to Indefatigable
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Human societies had rules for a very long time before any part of the Bible was written or the events depicted in the Bible occurred.
For reference, Sumer existed about 3,000 years prior to when Moses is supposed to have lived.
The Akkadian Empire was about 1,000 years prior to when Moses is supposed to have lived
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:43 pm to Antonio Moss
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You can’t have incivility without civilization
Hard to argue with that.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:45 pm to UtahCajun
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Because we are cursed with a higher intelligence that lets us see both the good and the bad in our actions?
Cursed with the ability to reflect. Cursed with the knowledge that we will die someday from an early age. Cursed with all sorts of things.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 12:46 pm to 4cubbies
That you're not a philosopher? You're correct there.
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