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re: The Law by Frédéric Bastiat
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do you conceptualize the world as a Paleolithic thinker in other areas of your life?
When considering the origination of social constructs? I guess I do when it would make logical sense to.
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The rich people you are imagining don't have vault swimming pools like Scrooge McDuck.
I'm not imagining any rich people. I wish people would stop trying to fit this thread into whatever weird motivations they are prescribing to me.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:04 pm to 4cubbies
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If I die and leave a list of a new form of government, why shouldn't that list be honored?
Because of your post history.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:14 pm to BugAC
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Because of your post history.
There it is. That’s the list.
Good luck, guys.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:15 pm to 4cubbies
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I wish people would stop trying to fit this thread into whatever weird motivations they are prescribing to me.
Envy, jealousy, lack of personal responsibility. Looking to government to even the playing fields for you, knowing that will never help you succeed?
FWIW, i didn't gather that from this thread alone.
The elimination of personal property will never achieve the goal you want. There are losers in society, and there are winners. And none of it has to do with monetary earnings, holdings, or property. It is a mindset. Learn to accept you are in the position you are in based on your decisions, and you will flip that switch from loser to winner. The quickest way to success, is accepting responsibility for your own actions and lot in life.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:16 pm to 4cubbies
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When considering the origination of social constructs? I guess I do when it would make logical sense to.
Life has gotten a bit more complicated than life in the stone age.
You can't just destroy stock, for instance. You can burn the paper certificate maybe, but the ownership is perpetual beyond human lifetimes....and we couldn't have effective corporate law with the threat of these massive swings if you argue they should be destroyed upon death.
And, again, I'm not arguing that you're wrong that Property (I'll use the big-P to avoid the issue of personal property trying to be used as a gotcha by others) is a social construct. I'm arguing you don't respect that social construct or really appreciate how great that is for humans and how it's so important for our societal development/status. I'm not defaulting to the protective layer of "natural rights" here.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:03 pm to BugAC
quote:That's an awful lot to attribute to me based on unknown factors. Pretty uncharitable. Who would I be jealous or envious of? I don't advocate for the government to do anything at all. It's annoying that people keep pretending like I keep arguing for the government to confiscate private property or take over industry.
Envy, jealousy, lack of personal responsibility. Looking to government to even the playing fields for you, knowing that will never help you succeed?
FWIW, i didn't gather that from this thread alone.
quote:What goal do I want?
The elimination of personal property will never achieve the goal you want.
quote:I have no idea what you're talking about.
Learn to accept you are in the position you are in based on your decisions, and you will flip that switch from loser to winner.
This post was edited on 6/24/26 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:08 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I think the issue may becomes clearer if we step back and ask what property is for at the most basic level.
Earlier in the thread I said that inheritance seems like just a convenient way to dispose of someone else's stuff. If it were really about "honoring" the wishes of the dead, wouldn't we all leave elaborate lists of how we want the world to look after we're gone that would be binding? I appreciate the thoughtful engagement and I hope my response doesn't seem adversarial or anything. I'm just trying to work this out.
I contend that property is not merely a social convenience for allocating objects but that it arises from the temporal nature of human survival. Human beings don't survive moment to moment, we survive by planning, producing, storing, improving, exchanging, and preserving resources across time. In that sense, property rights derive from self-ownership and the right of survival. If I own myself, I must also have some claim to the products of my labor, because labor is the exercise of myself in the world. And if survival requires acting today for the sake of tomorrow, then property cannot be reduced to mere present possession, it must include the ability to control resources over time. This is not arbitrary. It reflects the practical reality of temporal survival in a world of scarce resources.
Death creates a genuine problem. The person disappears, but the resources, obligations, dependencies, and competing claims do not. The stuff still there. The debts, contracts, tenants, employees, family dependencies, and accumulated labor all remain even though the original owner no longer exists.
So the question is not simply 'why should we honor the wishes of the dead?' The dead can no longer use, enjoy, or benefit from property. But that doesn't mean the claim becomes meaningless the instant the person dies. If property is the institution by which human beings project their labor and survival needs across time, then any coherent property system must have some rule for what happens when the current holder exits that system.
Inheritance is one such rule, and it is not best understood as sentimental obedience to will of a dead person. It is a mechanism for preserving continuity of title across the discontinuity of persons. If title simply evaporates at death, property collapses back toward mere possession. The system loses its temporal continuity. That is not a morally better arrangement. It merely replaces ordered succession with contestability.
To your specific point, that we don't leave binding instructions about everything we care about after death, my answer is that we don't need to. The inheritance question isn't about the full range of a person's wishes and preferences. It's about a narrower and more concrete question: what happens to valid property claims when the holder dies? The answer requires a rule. The relevant question is which rule best preserves the moral and functional basis of property: the right of human beings to sustain themselves through time by controlling the fruits of their labor. Voluntary transfer to chosen successors is the answer most consistent with that foundation.
I hope this is not too long winded and doesn't seem adversarial either!
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You can't just destroy stock, for instance. You can burn the paper certificate maybe, but the ownership is perpetual beyond human lifetimes....and we couldn't have effective corporate law with the threat of these massive swings if you argue they should be destroyed upon death.
quote:It's oddly dependent on cooperation.
I'm arguing you don't respect that social construct or really appreciate how great that is for humans and how it's so important for our societal development/status. I'm not defaulting to the protective layer of "natural rights" here.
Every man for himself as long as everyone else agrees to it.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:12 pm to AllbyMyRelf
One of my favorite people in my graduate program is a sociology professor who graduated from the Chicago School. Thanks for the rec 
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:14 pm to 4cubbies
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Every man for himself as long as everyone else agrees to it.
quote:Women!
everyone else
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:29 pm to LSUnKaty
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I think the issue may becomes clearer if we step back and ask what property is for at the most basic level.
Great point. It seems like, at the most basic level, it's a tool for survival. I think that's why I was able to accept the succession framing as property as a means of survival for one's children or grandchildren (like a family farm). You brought this up in your second paragraph.
quote:This makes me realize that I've been treating property almost like people themselves. This framing keeps property at the center and removes the people. Inheritance exist for the sake of the property, not the heirs.
Inheritance is one such rule, and it is not best understood as sentimental obedience to will of a dead person. It is a mechanism for preserving continuity of title across the discontinuity of persons. If title simply evaporates at death, property collapses back toward mere possession. The system loses its temporal continuity. That is not a morally better arrangement. It merely replaces ordered succession with contestability.
What an interesting way to think about property! Seriously. I appreciate your response. That was really thoughtful and persuasive.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:35 pm to NC_Tigah
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Women!![]()
24 pages because I read one sentence that made me grimace
I bet you can't wait until I turn the page of that book.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:37 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:44 pm to 4cubbies
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I bet you can't wait until I turn the page of that book.
Is the next page the one where you find honesty?
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:46 pm to djsdawg
quote:The boys i mean are not refined ...
LINK
Posted on 6/24/26 at 4:45 pm to 4cubbies
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It's oddly dependent on cooperation.
Uh...that's the point of society? We cannot congregate together in large numbers, engage in commerce, establish laws, religion, etc. without that.
If you really want to see "Every man for himself", look at the alternatives
Posted on 6/24/26 at 4:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Right.
It's oddly dependent on cooperation
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Uh...that's the point of society?
I missed what she's reading, but the anti-social undertones seem contrary to her normal interests.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 4:50 pm to NC_Tigah
I imagine it's a conflation between voluntary private cooperation and mandatory/forced public behaviors improperly identified as "cooperation"
Posted on 6/24/26 at 5:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Uh...that's the point of society?
But not the point of property or ownership. Property is often described as an individual right, but its existence depends on widespread social cooperation.
Property is often spoken of as though it were an individual relationship between a person and an object. Ownership only exists because everyone else recognizes and enforces that relationship. It’s interesting that one of the institutions most associated with individual rights is actually sustained by collective agreement and cooperation.
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