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re: The lack of basic education on how this country works is depressing.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:13 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:13 am to SammyTiger
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Again, let me ask you, when has a States Rights argument been made that gives people MORE freedom?
Abortion. There are many states with abortion rights that are not found in the constitution.
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Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:18 am to David_DJS
Leaving it up to the states leaves the door open for states to inhibit freedom.
States never fought to make abortions legal.
An individual did.
Just like a state never fought for universal concealed carry.
A state never fought for integrated schools.
States never fought to make abortions legal.
An individual did.
Just like a state never fought for universal concealed carry.
A state never fought for integrated schools.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:19 am to SammyTiger
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A state law that goes against a right guaranteed in the constitution. Where in the constitution is there a law guaranteeing an abortion?
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Again, let me ask you, when has a States Rights argument been made that gives people MORE freedom?
This ruling gives freedom to the unborn to live, which just may be the greatest freedom one can ever be granted.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:20 am to Warheel
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This ruling gives freedom to the unborn to live, which just may be the greatest freedom one can ever be granted.
Doesn’t even do that. Just kicks it out to the States.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:21 am to SammyTiger
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Even the gun case y’all are excited about is the federal government overturning a limiting state law.
You’re comparing a constitutionally protected right against precedent set by the court with no legal standing. Not the way I’d argue it.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:25 am to fjlee90
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You’re comparing a constitutionally protected right against precedent set by the court with no legal standing. Not the way I’d argue it.
This isn’t a legal argument.
I know How the government is set up, I’m pointing out how rarely “state rights l line up with more freedoms for their citizens.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:26 am to SammyTiger
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Leaving it up to the states leaves the door open for states to inhibit freedom.
You've got the math backwards. When there is no right to abortion in the constitution and a state does not create one, that isn't the state inhibiting freedom.
Your whole argument here does not relate to your own question. You suggested states never expand on choice/freedom as established federally (the constitution). Abortion is an example that proves your argument wrong.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:30 am to The Eric
They also don't know that the US is not a democracy but a constitutional republic.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:31 am to SammyTiger
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Again, let me ask you, when has a States Rights argument been made that gives people MORE freedom?
It is the FREEDOM for a state to decide how its constituents want to live. If you dont agree with how the majority of the citizens of that state want to live you can move to where ever has the laws you agree with.
Why do you want to force the majority of a state to do what you want when it is counter to what they want?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:31 am to David_DJS
By definition freedom
Is the absence of restraint.
Governments don’t create freedoms they just codify them.
States Rights cases rarely uphold individual freedom. This case didn’t uphold individual freedom. It upheld a smaller governments ability to inhibit people’s actions.
Is the absence of restraint.
Governments don’t create freedoms they just codify them.
States Rights cases rarely uphold individual freedom. This case didn’t uphold individual freedom. It upheld a smaller governments ability to inhibit people’s actions.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:33 am to SammyTiger
As a state right, you would be able to vote against any politician placing a ban. If you don't like it, vote them out. It's much easier at a state level.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:33 am to alphaandomega
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It is the FREEDOM for a stat
So it’s not freedom for individuals.
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If you dont agree with how the majority of the citizens of that state want to live you can move to where ever has the laws you agree with.
Rule By the majority isn’t freedom.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:35 am to SammyTiger
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But yeah, state rights being able to limit individual is great.
don’t know if you’ve noticed, but states have always had that right.
there are things that are perfectly legal is some states and not in others.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:36 am to SammyTiger
They certainly are free to have some damn personal Responsibility for their actions and also understand what does and doesn’t cause pregnancy. But its mostly dems we’re talking about so nevermind
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:36 am to SammyTiger
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SammyTiger
What you want is the ability to live in a red state while having those elected to DC by blue states decide your laws.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:38 am to SammyTiger
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By definition freedom Is the absence of restraint. Governments don’t create freedoms they just codify them. States Rights cases rarely uphold individual freedom. This case didn’t uphold individual freedom. It upheld a smaller governments ability to inhibit people’s actions
No. It took the notion of abortion being a guaranteed right granted by the constitution and said “nope, that shite ain’t in here”.
It could be added to the constitution through a simple constitutional convention where 38 states vote to ratify it though.
So if it’s so dear to you, petition your state legislature to call for a constitutional convention. Then convince another 37 states to do the same. Then convince those 38 states to ratify an amendment.
Then you can create your own theme park where you can have unprotected sex behind the merry go round, and then line up for the abortion coaster and live in your happy world.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:38 am to BuckyCheese
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What you want is the ability to live in a red state while having those elected to DC by blue states decide your laws.
Is that what happened here?
No
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:39 am to The Eric
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How the government works. Checks and balances.
Once upon a time it did.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:39 am to The Eric
I had a football coach for a civics teacher who considered "studying the grass on the football field" civics class.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 11:42 am to SammyTiger
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Is that what happened here?
No
It is what happened, incorrectly, 50 years ago concerning abortion.
Your problem is as I stated. You want to live in a nice red state while expecting everyone else there to bow to your blue ideals.
Want to live like a degenerate? Go live with degenerates.
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