re: The great poliboard poster NIH recently described a faction of dems I’ve been thinking of

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It’s great to see homage paid to the great insights of NIH, whose other notable musings include, “are you a white male democrat?” and “did you vote for [democrat]?

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Speaking of NPR "elites" who are so very much smarter than most of us...

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VOR is likely an actual homosexual and true believer idiot

Powerman is a retarded loser who fancies himself a contrarian, likely very fat, and thinks the waitresses at Walk Ons are his friends when he creeps around there regularly

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You’re arguing from your own personal definition of what counts as “extremely right-wing.” I asked a straightforward follow-up -- “Is Trump/MAGA more right-wing than the Bush era GOP?” -- and you couldn’t answer it.

That actually proves my point--you’re debating something different from what I’m saying.

Extreme people rarely see themselves as extreme. They don’t have the distance or perspective to evaluate their own position on a broader spectrum. Psychologically, the more extreme someone’s beliefs or behaviors become, the more likely they are to experience those beliefs as normal, justified, or simply “the truth.” That’s the dynamic I’m describing.

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You’re arguing from your own personal definition of what counts as “extremely right-wing.”

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First, that's all anyone does around here, right? You're doing the same.

That said - there are "personal definitions" that are backed up better with logic and history than others.

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I asked a straightforward follow-up -- “Is Trump/MAGA more right-wing than the Bush era GOP?” -- and you couldn’t answer it.

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How did you arrive at this? I didn't post anything that should have led you to believe that I couldn't answer your inane question. I responded by pointing out that the question was irrelevant to "Trump is extremely right-wing."

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That actually proves my point--you’re debating something different from what I’m saying.

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This is instructive.

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Extreme people rarely see themselves as extreme. They don’t have the distance or perspective to evaluate their own position on a broader spectrum. Psychologically, the more extreme someone’s beliefs or behaviors become, the more likely they are to experience those beliefs as normal, justified, or simply “the truth.” That’s the dynamic I’m describing.

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And what are the chances you're describing yourself?

To be clear, I have never shied away from being recognized/labeled extreme right-wing.

On the other hand, you seem to be uncomfortable with the notion that you're extreme left-wing, but in terms of only what's been posted in this exchange - the argument that you are extreme left-wing is much stronger than the argument that I'm extreme right-wing (other than my acknowledgment above).

In other words, the whole premise of the post of yours I first responded to, that Trump is "extreme right-wing" can only be held by someone that is extreme left-wing.

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On the other hand, you seem to be uncomfortable with the notion that you're extreme left-wing, but in terms of only what's been posted in this exchange - the argument that you are extreme left-wing is much stronger than the argument that I'm extreme right-wing (other than my acknowledgment above).

In other words, the whole premise of the post of yours I first responded to, that Trump is "extreme right-wing" can only be held by someone that is extreme left-wing.

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What have I posted that would even suggest that I'm extremely left? I've agreed every step of the way that the far left is crazy.

I am very much center-left.

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You guys put an extremely right-wing reality TV star in office.

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Trump is objectively the most liberal Republican ever elected. This isn’t even debated.

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Extreme ppl don't view their beliefs as extreme

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thank you for explaining why you believe you are center-left.

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They both occupy space on the political spectrum best described as center-right.

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This could be argued, although I don’t see either one as being overly conservative. Honestly, they bother are centrists with conservative leanings.

They are more aligned with 90’s Democrats than anything resembling an actual Republican (Right of center).

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So the people that are not for open borders, not for diddling kids, don’t believe that chics have dicks, believe in women’s sports (as in no dicks allowed), that knows DEI is systemic racism, that CRT and gender ideology shouldn’t be in our schools, and that believe that Islam is not compatible with the West are “far right?”

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I agree with everything in bold---but no, those aren't the items that push MAGA far-right

Trump is "extreme" in the conduct sense (lack of filter, insults, etc), but policy wise, he isn't an extreme conservative.

1) Immigration: has same policies as Bill Clinton. For most of american history, it wasn't politically controversial to want illegals deported and a border wall built.

2) Economy: basically an 80s era dem on trade issues. Generic reagan/bush repub on taxes. Trump doesn't have much of an appetite for reforming/scaling back welfare system, which annoys me.

3) social issues: first gop prez to support gay marriage. has mainstream position on trans issues, DEI, crime, etc

4) foreign policy: neocon in some ways, dove in others

Again, if we are plainly comparing *ideology* since the 90s, the dems have gone way more to the left than the Rs have gone to the right. On what issues are Rs more conservative than they were in, say, 1994? Certainly not more conservative on social issues. dems, on the other hand, embrace trans and racial stuff that would have been laughed out of the room in 1994.

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this is from pew research