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The fundamentally absurd flaw to people like Macron and his other enviro-nuts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:56 am
Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:56 am
That flaw is simple.
The VERY SAME people who want to tax the frick out of developed nations to reduce their carbon footprint.............will RELIABLY argue that we need to spend a frick ton to improve the living conditions of all of the other nations.
Well we haven't invented fricking cold fusion yet. If all of Africa woke up tomorrow living in even 80% of the standard of living of the U.S., every fricking American alive could junk their cars and not overcome it.
And THAT is assuming they all were using energy as clean as what the U.S. currently uses and had products with the efficiency of current U.S. products.
The VERY SAME people who want to tax the frick out of developed nations to reduce their carbon footprint.............will RELIABLY argue that we need to spend a frick ton to improve the living conditions of all of the other nations.
Well we haven't invented fricking cold fusion yet. If all of Africa woke up tomorrow living in even 80% of the standard of living of the U.S., every fricking American alive could junk their cars and not overcome it.
And THAT is assuming they all were using energy as clean as what the U.S. currently uses and had products with the efficiency of current U.S. products.
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 8:58 am to ShortyRob
Valid point. You can't improve the living conditions of developing nations without a huge impact to the carbon footprint in those places.
And if we can't afford the alternative energy on a mass scale we sure as shite can't afford to use that as the infrastructure basis for other nations.
And if we can't afford the alternative energy on a mass scale we sure as shite can't afford to use that as the infrastructure basis for other nations.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:01 am to Powerman
quote:I pointed this out to my Ecology professor way back in the day.
Valid point. You can't improve the living conditions of developing nations without a huge impact to the carbon footprint in those places.
The text we used was hilariously conflicted as was he.
We spent half the class decrying the amount of Energy the U.S. used...........and the other half decrying how the developed world wasn't helping the rest of the world burn energy at the same rate!!!
I'm like, "you frickers need to decide what you're worried about!"
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:04 am to ShortyRob
Even if you use something other than coal there will be a huge carbon footprint with construction
You can't just build a massive hydro plant with no footprint involved for instance
You can't just build a massive hydro plant with no footprint involved for instance
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:07 am to ShortyRob
Had an ecology professor just like that. Dude was a douche supreme. He'd spout a bunch of shite like that off and anyone who countered him was a marked man. He made his tests intentionally subjective (no scantrons or multiple choice) so he could frick you if you tried to derail his indoctrination attempts.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:10 am to Powerman
quote:
Even if you use something other than coal there will be a huge carbon footprint with construction
You can't just build a massive hydro plant with no footprint involved for instance
There are 1.2B people in Africa. There are 263M registered cars in the US. If you brought Africa up to our standard that would be 970Mish vehicles.
We could give the frickers 970M Prius and basically destroy ALL global climate change policy forever.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:10 am to ShortyRob
Here is reality: environmental conservation and stewardship is a luxury. It is a very long term investment (with a massive payoff) but in the short term industrialization is a necessary step towards wealth and the ability to conserve.
What is absolutely fricking wrong is a foreign nation/interest exploiting those resources and exporting the wealth back home
What is absolutely fricking wrong is a foreign nation/interest exploiting those resources and exporting the wealth back home
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:12 am to bmy
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What is absolutely fricking wrong is a foreign nation/interest exploiting those resources and exporting the wealth back home
If those companies make the investment into exploiting those resources, why shouldn't they keep the money?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:13 am to bmy
quote:Climate change policy doesn't even promise the "massive payoff". I would argue that since the bulk of the world will continue developing that even if you improved the already developed world by 25%, you're basically the guy bailing the Titanic with a bucket.
Here is reality: environmental conservation and stewardship is a luxury. It is a very long term investment (with a massive payoff)
The PAYOFF will come if we can develop technology to DEAL WITH any climate change that happens..........not put our heads in the sand hoping we can keep it from coming.
And the nations that are going to create the payoff I speak of are the already developed nations that the dumb assed left wants to neuter.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:23 am to ShortyRob
The issue was, is, and will be overpopulation. That is 100% solvable.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
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The issue was, is, and will be overpopulation. That is 100% solvable.
It's solvable through capital development alone (as with development brings better medical care and access to contraceptives), as I know of no country that has been able to raise its TFR above replacement once it has fallen below replacement. We are already seeing plummeting TFR's in North Africa. The problem areas remain Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:33 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Meh. Not really.
The issue was, is, and will be overpopulation. That is 100% solvable.
I suppose you can slow the rate of increase. But that changes the when, that's all.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:35 am to ShortyRob
Part of France's issue is that these regulations make things more problematic for themselves. The French after the oil shock of 1973 invested in the best nuclear energy infrastructure in the world. They export something like 15% of the energy they produce. Around 92% of their energy comes from nuclear, solar and wind. They are doing considerably better than even other areas of the developed world in this regard. Yet they want to phase out reliance on nuclear energy, which is a stupid policy move in my view. That move has caused energy prices in France to spike, even though France produces plenty energy.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:36 am to ShortyRob
quote:
The VERY SAME people who want to tax the frick out of developed nations to reduce their carbon footprint.............will RELIABLY argue that we need to spend a frick ton to improve the living conditions of all of the other nations.
This is why the taxes have to be combined with crippling regulation and socialism. Our living conditions have to come down at the same time as theirs goes up. In the end, everyone has to be poor OR there has to be some sort of population reduction.
Everyone will be poor except for the globalist who direct us down this path. They'll be the ones living in the mansion stop the hill.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:38 am to Powerman
quote:
Even if you use something other than coal there will be a huge carbon footprint with construction
You can't just build a massive hydro plant with no footprint involved for instance
And you cant be Al Gore and live in an ecofriendly home. That bastard preaches the world is ending and then goes home to a huge house with huge energy uses.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:45 am to bmy
quote:
What is absolutely fricking wrong is a foreign nation/interest exploiting those resources and exporting the wealth back home
So you're against global trade?
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:48 am to bmy
Can you define the massive payoff and any efforts that you are undertaking to see it happen
Thanks
Thanks
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:56 am to bmy
quote:You'll need to define "exploiting".
a foreign nation/interest exploiting those resources
Posted on 12/4/18 at 9:56 am to upgrayedd
I'm 99% sure the panic over climate change is simple a redistribution scheme to allow developing nations to catch up and retard growth in the USA and Europe
Posted on 12/4/18 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm 99% sure the panic over climate change is simple a redistribution scheme to allow developing nations to catch up and retard growth in the USA and Europe
The Paris Climate Accord was nothing but a giant wealth redistribution.
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