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re: The First of Many - Vietnam Negotiates Zero Tariff Policy
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:11 am to RohanGonzales
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:11 am to RohanGonzales
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no way there can be multiple goals that apply differently to different countries
The "goals" are not defined so that people can fallback on the 3 as things develop.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:12 am to dnm3305
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the tariff goal CAN BE BOTH.
No.
No, it can't.
Those of you who claim this are confusing "I'm going to say Trump won no matter what the outcome is" with "Either outcome here is equally beneficial."
It's like Andrew Dice Clay used to say about being bi-sexual. There's no such thing. You either suck dick, or you do not suck dick.
You either think expanding free trade (which is, by definition, an expansion of Globalism), complete with the consequence of exporting even more manufacturing, is good, or you think that repatriating American manufacturing jobs is the important part.
You will not get both, and you can't claim both as a victory because they oppose each other.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:14 am to OceanMan
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All of the above.
Doesn't work.
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The goal is to renegotiate more favorable terms with willing trade partners.
That's a very vague term that allows goalpost moving to avoid being called a failure. Hence the point about declaring goals up front, to avoid the intellectual dishonesty.
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The goal is to manufacture more goods domestically.
If countries move to "zero tariff", then this won't happen. We also won't recoup the tax revenue from tariffs.
So this Vietnam agreement is a failure, right? For this stated goal. This is more likely to increase manufacturing in Vietnam compared to America.
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The goal is to drive industrial investment domestically, and incentivize the purchase of domestic rather than imported goods.
Then this Vietnam agreement is a failure, as that will not happen.
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The goal is to increase revenues from imports and decrease revenues from taxing citizens.
Then this Vietnam agreement is a failure, as tariff collection will decrease.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:15 am to coldbeerfan
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Money saved by not paying tariffs to other countries pays down the national debt.
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What part of reciprocal don’t you understand?
You seem to be having the understanding issue
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:15 am to concrete_tiger
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Not all overseas manufacturing is bad. Who cares where toys and trinkets are made? We can’t build or staff factories like that.
I never said it was. It doesn't bother me at all.
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We should never have allowed heavy industry, medical, and tech to offshore.
If we hadn't, houses, medical care, and tech-related items would have all been even more expensive than they are now.
I get that we don't want to depend on China for manufacturing things like medicine, but I would use incentives or even direct contracts brokered by the government to make sure we have those things here.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:16 am to cajunangelle
Did Bernie Sanders write this?
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:17 am to cajunangelle
There's that pesky word IF.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:17 am to concrete_tiger
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We should never have allowed heavy industry, medical, and tech to offshore.
We cannot engage in outright leftism and subsidize every sector of the economy to keep them onshore. THAT we cannot afford.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:19 am to OceanMan
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The goal is to renegotiate more favorable terms with willing trade partners
Why did Trumps trade deal with Mexico and Canada fail so badly?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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So the goal is "zero tariff" and not "bringing manufacturing jobs back" or "funding the government with tariffs"?
The goal is to have better trade deals and to bring jobs and investment to the US.
That has always been the goal.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
The picture (BELOW) is what the USA govt (both R's and D's) have been working on for minimally 30 years.
Pretend OMB didn't come in like a bull in a China store-with all of his warts but saw this and simply has always wanted to correct it...
We would be censored under President Kamala Harris. Would you be living in the 8 by 8 cubicle apartment unit eating Klaus Schwab bugs with a mini herb garden & raw milk? As presented nicer than what it was in The Bubble...
Or would you be on the outskirts escaping the cubicle camp but serving them as peasants?
Pretend OMB didn't come in like a bull in a China store-with all of his warts but saw this and simply has always wanted to correct it...
We would be censored under President Kamala Harris. Would you be living in the 8 by 8 cubicle apartment unit eating Klaus Schwab bugs with a mini herb garden & raw milk? As presented nicer than what it was in The Bubble...
Or would you be on the outskirts escaping the cubicle camp but serving them as peasants?
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This, in my judgment, has been the objective of the elite for a span of time measured not in decades but in generations. The elite collectively views the last 250 years of history as an aberration– an affront to the natural order of things.
The picture that I have shared so many times is truly their desired outcome. They will live in the shining city on the hill, and we will live in the squalor that has always been the lot of the peasants in a feudal society.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:21 am to wackatimesthree
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You will not get both, and you can't claim both as a victory because they oppose each other.
Right now, LITERALLY both are happening.
Trade balance is becoming at least more aligned, still not favorable, but not quite as much of a disadvantage as it has been.
And jobs are being created right now across the country.
Heard about that new steel plant in Louisiana that will be making steel for Hyundai? Do you think that happens if we continue to import or if the steel that Hyundai has been using thus far is all of a sudden more expensive to import instead of source local?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:21 am to cajunangelle
quote:So losing thousands on my IRA is totally worth it then.
With Vietnam Zero is good for sSwitch2, bruh.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:21 am to dgnx6
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The goal is to have better trade deals and to bring jobs and investment to the US.
That has always been the goal.
Those are multiple goals that cannot coexist.
This is the same dishonest vagueness MAGA is known for with their other moving target terms, like "globlaism", "deep state", lawfare", etc.
If you never make an actual argument/claim, you can never be wrong.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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So the goal is "zero tariff" and not "bringing manufacturing jobs back" or "funding the government with tariffs"?
I certainly hope they're permanent on China. The American consumer modernizing China's military seems a steep price for $25 blue jeans at WalMart.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:25 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:27 am to coldbeerfan
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For someone who claims to be the smartest man in the room
Yea, nobody else believes that about him is what’s so sad. He spends 20 hours a day arguing politics on a sports message board and definitely doesn’t come across as intelligent Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:27 am to shinerfan
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The American consumer modernizing China's military seems a steep price for $25 blue jeans at WalMart.
I think most of those are made in countries like Vietnam these days, so we're just building up their future military
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:28 am to Mushroom1968
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Yea, nobody else believes that about him
That says more about them than me. DK is very popular around here these days.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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We cannot engage in outright leftism and subsidize every sector of the economy to keep them onshore. THAT we cannot afford.
They'll sorta admit that by never responding, but what I can't get anybody to do is tell me what industries we're going to protect and why. One person here wants catfish protected, others obviously want the auto industry protected.
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