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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:01 am to Mo Jeaux
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Such a weird trait of some Christians to dwell on imperfections and evil.
When you have people whose sole ambition is to have power and control over others(I can’t begin to relate to that mindset) and then you have a multitude of people who practically worship said ambitious types and worship celebrities, then it’s very practical to study how ALL people have a potential and usually a bent towards evil. Embracing the truth is far from dwelling. Discussing something isn’t dwelling either. Seems you prefer to put your head in the sand.
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:03 am to Revelator
Lord of the Flies comes to mind.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:07 am to Padme
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Seems you prefer to put your head in the sand.
Nah. Those thoughts are just a good illustration of why Nietzsche referred to Christianity as a slave morality.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:08 am to Revelator
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But, lots of the world labors under the impression that man is basically good, and on his own, he will mostly choose to do what is right and good.
I think there is not a consistent view of what is good in the world. The Bible lays out what is good from a Christianity point of view; however, many of these people don’t view it that way.
I think outside of physically harming someone you would find that the people you are calling wicked would excuse away their actions. That is the problem with them. They do not see what they are doing is wrong.
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:13 am to Revelator
Even in this representative republic politicians wish to subjugate groups to bend them to their will. I have more thoughts about this but I will spare you.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:15 am to Mo Jeaux
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Nah. Those thoughts are just a good illustration of why Nietzsche referred to Christianity as a slave morality.
He didn't believe in morality at all. Is he your champion?
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:21 am to Revelator
The whole concept of virtue and ethics is that man must have the freedom to choose to do evil and instead choose not to do evil.
If a man holds a gun to your head and demands "Give 50 dollars to that homeless guy on the street" you have not performed an act of charity.
That's the problem with Islam. 'Do good! Or we'll kill you.'
If a man holds a gun to your head and demands "Give 50 dollars to that homeless guy on the street" you have not performed an act of charity.
That's the problem with Islam. 'Do good! Or we'll kill you.'
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:23 am to Revelator
Here is a column in National Review that is very germane to this thread.
Main point is that Athens first made individuals, rather than hierarchies and dynasties, the ultimate focus. Then Martin Luther took this approach to religion, rejecting Catholicism’s focus on a priest hierarchy and asserting that the individual, armed with God’s word, was the highest form. Finally John Locke combined these into The Enlightenment, and the world was set on fire with progress.
National Review Article
Main point is that Athens first made individuals, rather than hierarchies and dynasties, the ultimate focus. Then Martin Luther took this approach to religion, rejecting Catholicism’s focus on a priest hierarchy and asserting that the individual, armed with God’s word, was the highest form. Finally John Locke combined these into The Enlightenment, and the world was set on fire with progress.
National Review Article
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:24 am to Flats
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He didn't believe in morality at all.
Sure he did.
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Is he your champion?
My champion? No. Why?
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:28 am to Mo Jeaux
Well of course Nietzsche didn’t have a bent towards evil. He’s probably a good one to worship.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:29 am to Mo Jeaux
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Sure he did.
Not as anything more than subjective whims. Morality to him wasn't any different than preferring one color over another. That's not how most people think about the concept, even those who claim to believe as Nietzsche did.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:31 am to Padme
Why would you worship him?
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:36 am to Lou the Jew from LSU
God. We absolutely can’t fix this mess without Him. He is the giver of courage. He is the producer of patience. He is our salvation, both spiritually and nationally. He is absolute truth, so if we follow Him -- through His Son, Jesus Christ -- we will be able to claw our way out of the trust issues that plague our national discourse. If we absorb His Word, we will find the solutions, the guidance we need. That’s what ancient Israel was for -- an example for the rest of the nations.
The Devil’s World
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The Devil’s World
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:43 am to Auburn1968
Now this is funny. Below is the first line to the article I linked in another comment below, (make that above). ^^^.
Thinking as a hobby
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William Golding (of Lord of the Flies fame) wrote an essay titled “Thinking as a Hobby” in which he outlined what he saw as the three stages of human thought.
Thinking as a hobby
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:44 am to Revelator
Mountains of books have been written on this-the Tragic View of Mankind. The degree of philosophical brilliance that has been devoted to this single idea is stunning. And yet Leftists will deny it to the bitter end, promote their Utopian view of Mankind, Man as God, blame "society" for corrupting man instead of acknowledging this is Man's natural state (fallen, corrupt etc), and propose that only The State can than fix this inherent societal corruption. It's lunacy and a denial of God and human nature.
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:50 am to Revelator
God did not create an evil and wicked people. The devil did with the unwitting assistance of man.
If you accept that man is evil and wicked from inception, you ignore the influence of the devil and you blaspheme God.
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he doesn’t exist.
Do not ignore the devil and hell. They exist.
If you accept that man is evil and wicked from inception, you ignore the influence of the devil and you blaspheme God.
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he doesn’t exist.
Do not ignore the devil and hell. They exist.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 10:54 am to Auburn1968
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Lord of the Flies
A direct reference to Beelzebub, which is another name for the devil in Christian theology.
Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:02 am to DownSouthJukin
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If you accept that man is evil and wicked from inception, you ignore the influence of the devil and you blaspheme God.
I’m talking about the nature of fallen man
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Posted on 1/1/22 at 11:03 am to Revelator
You are correct.
The counter to this is that people can do good, which is why we need to define the standard for goodness.
The reason why natural man cannot do good is because the standard is perfect obedience to God’s law, both in action and in intention. We not only have to obey God but we have to obey for the glory of God, by faith in His promises.
That last part is why people are generally not “good”.
The counter to this is that people can do good, which is why we need to define the standard for goodness.
The reason why natural man cannot do good is because the standard is perfect obedience to God’s law, both in action and in intention. We not only have to obey God but we have to obey for the glory of God, by faith in His promises.
That last part is why people are generally not “good”.
This post was edited on 1/1/22 at 11:04 am
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