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re: The Elephant in the Room
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:06 pm to RedStickBR
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:06 pm to RedStickBR
Surprised Switz hasn't added all the Muzzie countries to the list.....bc they really should.
The libs would shite solid titanium bricks if Trump implemented this
The libs would shite solid titanium bricks if Trump implemented this
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:12 pm to CoachChappy
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At no point did he say Switzerland's laws were more effective.
So he's arguing that their gun ownership rate regardless of the hoops you have to jump through to own a gun in that country are somehow emblematic of the failure of strict gun laws?
English isn't your first language, is it?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:12 pm to jptiger2009
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just curious to know if they call out the right to bare arms in their constitution? Cue the libertarians!
Here's a video
Youtube
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:25 pm to RedStickBR
it's not the restriction of guns that allows criminals to kill innocents...it's the restriction of innocent's Lawful Rights to kill criminals that allows criminals to even exist in any number. The altruistic and tolerant State labels such actions as 'vigilantism' and inflicts severe punishment on vigilantes. However, at a given point of tolerant-based and painful consequence, the (tolerant) Law will be rejected, nullified or even rebelled against. From the Left, BLM's attack on Cops is an example. We have not seen this from the Right. Yet. But we will lest the Rule of Law be enforced.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:32 pm to RocketTiger
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Mental health needs to become a priority in this country.
While this is true, this particular guy would have likely passed any screening for mental health issues with no problem. Unless someone has a previous history of issues just interviewing a person off the street to determine if they have instabilities that would preclude them from possessing a firearm would be a waste of time.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:34 pm to RedStickBR
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It's lazy to blame these types of events on guns when other heavily armed countries (Switzerland) don't have the same problems.
Switzerland is a homogeneous society
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:35 pm to RocketTiger
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Mental health needs to become a priority in this country.
It's a real concern, it's also unbelievable how many Americans are on some type of psychotropic drug prescribed by our mental health system .
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:36 pm to BamaAtl
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Let's copy Switzerland's gun laws exactly, since you think they're effective in preventing gun violence.
Let's copy Chicago's gun laws exactly, since you think they're effective in preventing gun violence.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:37 pm to cokebottleag
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Or other lightly armed countries such as Mexico and Brazil have massive murder rates
Can’t really call either of those slightly armed with the stockpile from the drug game.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:38 pm to upgrayedd
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Switzerland may be heavily armed but their process of obtaining and retaining a gun is waaaaay more restrictive than in the US
I’m pretty sure they also have the same rules for storage in your home like Germany does.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:If you've ever read any works by FA Hayek, bamaAtl is exhibit A of someone who suffers from "the fatal conceit"
Let's copy Chicago's gun laws exactly, since you think they're effective in preventing gun violence.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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If you've ever read any works by FA Hayek, bamaAtl is exhibit A of someone who suffers from "the fatal conceit"
Exactly.
Love me some Hayek btw
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:41 pm to RedStickBR
quote:Troof. Events like this show that he only thing that keeps us from mass chaos and death is the quality and character of the citizenry.
Blaming guns distracts from asking the questions that could actually solve the underlying issue and amounts to confusing the symptom with the actual cause.
Remember that next time a leftists tell us “character doesn’t matter”.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:45 pm to RedStickBR
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You can't say gun ownership is a problem in the US while ignoring the fact it's apparently not a problem in Switzerland without implicitly ignoring underlying differences between the two countries. It's not like America's guns are just a lot more angry than Switzerland's guns.
It's certainly a cultural problem first and foremost. In terms of the laws though, one big difference is that Switzerland regulates the sale and possession of ammunition just as tightly as they do the sale and possession of guns.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:57 pm to RedStickBR
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Thus, what is that underlying difference? Is it mental illness? Is it general American stress levels? Is it [insert whatever you want here]?
The underlying difference is that America has a different demographic make-up than Switzerland (a larger underclass, for one) and a more violence prone history.
Basically, guns in the hands of members of polite society will not induce more violence. But making them available to the violence-prone underclass will. It's a tough distinction and it's not easy to draw a line in the sand, but ghettos don't become less dangerous when more people are armed. The violence gets worse.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:01 pm to cahoots
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but ghettos don't become less dangerous when more people are armed. The violence gets worse
yet, the opposite end of that spectrum believes that we don't need stricter gun laws?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:18 pm to RedStickBR
Was this a mental health issue? Brother did not say so.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:22 pm to RedStickBR
As a pilot myself know that the man could have gassed up his aircraft taken off from McCarran and flown it into the crowd. The devastation would be many times more deadly. I'm glad that he did not. But while a firearm is indeed deadly there are other insidious ones that would take their place if gun control enabled.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:37 pm to RedStickBR
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what does it tell you that we have so many people in this country who apparently can't have a firearm without going on a murder spree?
Just not supported by the data. So few gun owners go on shooting sprees in this country, that while each is tragic, they are statistically insignificant.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yeah, BamaAtl is all about shaping the world, so long as it aligns to BamaAtl's worldview. She isn't about to be inconvenient by the anything, including facts and logic...
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