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re: The Elephant in the Room

Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:06 pm to
Surprised Switz hasn't added all the Muzzie countries to the list.....bc they really should.

The libs would shite solid titanium bricks if Trump implemented this
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21897 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:12 pm to
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At no point did he say Switzerland's laws were more effective.


So he's arguing that their gun ownership rate regardless of the hoops you have to jump through to own a gun in that country are somehow emblematic of the failure of strict gun laws?

English isn't your first language, is it?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134865 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:12 pm to
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just curious to know if they call out the right to bare arms in their constitution? Cue the libertarians!

Here's a video

Youtube
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34936 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:25 pm to
it's not the restriction of guns that allows criminals to kill innocents...it's the restriction of innocent's Lawful Rights to kill criminals that allows criminals to even exist in any number. The altruistic and tolerant State labels such actions as 'vigilantism' and inflicts severe punishment on vigilantes. However, at a given point of tolerant-based and painful consequence, the (tolerant) Law will be rejected, nullified or even rebelled against. From the Left, BLM's attack on Cops is an example. We have not seen this from the Right. Yet. But we will lest the Rule of Law be enforced.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:32 pm to
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Mental health needs to become a priority in this country.


While this is true, this particular guy would have likely passed any screening for mental health issues with no problem. Unless someone has a previous history of issues just interviewing a person off the street to determine if they have instabilities that would preclude them from possessing a firearm would be a waste of time.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33968 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:34 pm to
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It's lazy to blame these types of events on guns when other heavily armed countries (Switzerland) don't have the same problems.


Switzerland is a homogeneous society
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46141 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:35 pm to
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Mental health needs to become a priority in this country.


It's a real concern, it's also unbelievable how many Americans are on some type of psychotropic drug prescribed by our mental health system .
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71818 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:36 pm to
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Let's copy Switzerland's gun laws exactly, since you think they're effective in preventing gun violence.


Let's copy Chicago's gun laws exactly, since you think they're effective in preventing gun violence.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125416 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:37 pm to
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Or other lightly armed countries such as Mexico and Brazil have massive murder rates


Can’t really call either of those slightly armed with the stockpile from the drug game.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125416 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:38 pm to
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Switzerland may be heavily armed but their process of obtaining and retaining a gun is waaaaay more restrictive than in the US


I’m pretty sure they also have the same rules for storage in your home like Germany does.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69306 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:39 pm to
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Let's copy Chicago's gun laws exactly, since you think they're effective in preventing gun violence.
If you've ever read any works by FA Hayek, bamaAtl is exhibit A of someone who suffers from "the fatal conceit"

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43337 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:40 pm to
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If you've ever read any works by FA Hayek, bamaAtl is exhibit A of someone who suffers from "the fatal conceit"



Exactly.

Love me some Hayek btw
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57272 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:41 pm to
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Blaming guns distracts from asking the questions that could actually solve the underlying issue and amounts to confusing the symptom with the actual cause.
Troof. Events like this show that he only thing that keeps us from mass chaos and death is the quality and character of the citizenry.

Remember that next time a leftists tell us “character doesn’t matter”.
Posted by americanrealism
Smoking an 8th in the multiverse
Member since Nov 2012
1515 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:45 pm to
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You can't say gun ownership is a problem in the US while ignoring the fact it's apparently not a problem in Switzerland without implicitly ignoring underlying differences between the two countries. It's not like America's guns are just a lot more angry than Switzerland's guns.


It's certainly a cultural problem first and foremost. In terms of the laws though, one big difference is that Switzerland regulates the sale and possession of ammunition just as tightly as they do the sale and possession of guns.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:57 pm to
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Thus, what is that underlying difference? Is it mental illness? Is it general American stress levels? Is it [insert whatever you want here]?


The underlying difference is that America has a different demographic make-up than Switzerland (a larger underclass, for one) and a more violence prone history.

Basically, guns in the hands of members of polite society will not induce more violence. But making them available to the violence-prone underclass will. It's a tough distinction and it's not easy to draw a line in the sand, but ghettos don't become less dangerous when more people are armed. The violence gets worse.
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
9616 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:01 pm to
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but ghettos don't become less dangerous when more people are armed. The violence gets worse


yet, the opposite end of that spectrum believes that we don't need stricter gun laws?
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64661 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:18 pm to
Was this a mental health issue? Brother did not say so.
Posted by GulfstreamTiger
Sondheimer Louisiana
Member since May 2017
796 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:22 pm to
As a pilot myself know that the man could have gassed up his aircraft taken off from McCarran and flown it into the crowd. The devastation would be many times more deadly. I'm glad that he did not. But while a firearm is indeed deadly there are other insidious ones that would take their place if gun control enabled.
Posted by Tiger4Liberty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
2423 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:37 pm to
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what does it tell you that we have so many people in this country who apparently can't have a firearm without going on a murder spree?


Just not supported by the data. So few gun owners go on shooting sprees in this country, that while each is tragic, they are statistically insignificant.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71818 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:38 pm to
Yeah, BamaAtl is all about shaping the world, so long as it aligns to BamaAtl's worldview. She isn't about to be inconvenient by the anything, including facts and logic...
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