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re: The devastation of Helene has laid bare the fricked up priorities of the US government
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:23 am to beerJeep
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:23 am to beerJeep
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They come when the belt appears. You can’t rob Peter to pay Paul forever.
So you don't have an answer to prove your "zero sum" statement?
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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And as I have pointed out, the Ukraine money is a rounding error.
I’ve said nothing of Ukraine.
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Again, purposeful conflation for NPC talking points to avoid the real discussion.
100k every 5 seconds.
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Let me know which Presidential candidate is proposing reducing SS and Medicare payments/spending (while maintaining the taxes).
Gonna have to happen eventually.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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you don't have an answer to prove your "zero sum" statement?
You think we can just spend forever?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:27 am to beerJeep
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Gonna have to happen eventually.
You're the one who keeps talking about the belt. Seems you need to tell Trump/Kamala about it.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're the one who keeps talking about the belt. Seems you need to tell Trump/Kamala about it.
You’re the child that doesn’t think it exist
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Have you seen the stipulations?
Go bid on one of those jobs right now.
Hint: you won't qualify assuming you're a white male.
Go bid on one of those jobs right now.
Hint: you won't qualify assuming you're a white male.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:30 am to beerJeep
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You think we can just spend forever?
I never said that.
I asked you a specific question about your "zero sum" comments.
If we had a budget, we'd be in closer to a "Zero sum" situation, as I have said multiple times in this thread.
I rejected both to accurately state reality.
We don't have a budget, so they can spend what they want, as I have said multiple times in this thread.
This is why there is not "one pot", as I have said multiple times in this thread.
And if there is not "one pot', Ukraine money has frick all to do with Helene money, proving my claims that OP is a conflation.
*ETA: none of this logic progression proving my point indicates a personal opinion, also. It's just stating what is/reality. Not what I want.
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:33 am to GumboPot
Bingo. Unfortunately, I had to spend a few weeks scouring the Infrastructure Act as it related to the states in the Southeast where the company that I work for operates. Trying to determine how much of the allocations would actually benefit our industry(construction) and specifically our scope of work in construction sector.
We were expecting a lot. There was very little. Most of the allocations were for public institutions (colleges, universities, government buildings, etc.)EV charging stations. Electric busses for campuses. Every so often there were some soil stabilization allocations and watershed improvements. A lot on fiber installation into rural areas.
What was missing was the expected grand amount allocated to road and bridge repairs. What we thought would be allocated there was deferred to climate change agenda items, primarily EV infrastructure.
We were expecting a lot. There was very little. Most of the allocations were for public institutions (colleges, universities, government buildings, etc.)EV charging stations. Electric busses for campuses. Every so often there were some soil stabilization allocations and watershed improvements. A lot on fiber installation into rural areas.
What was missing was the expected grand amount allocated to road and bridge repairs. What we thought would be allocated there was deferred to climate change agenda items, primarily EV infrastructure.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:35 am to Dirk Dawgler
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Bingo. Unfortunately, I had to spend a few weeks scouring the Infrastructure Act as it related to the states in the Southeast where the company that I work for operates. Trying to determine how much of the allocations would actually benefit our industry(construction) and specifically our scope of work in construction sector.
We were expecting a lot. There was very little. Most of the allocations were for public institutions (colleges, universities, government buildings, etc.)EV charging stations. Electric busses for campuses. Every so often there were some soil stabilization allocations and watershed improvements. A lot on fiber installation into rural areas.
What was missing was the expected grand amount allocated to road and bridge repairs. What we thought would be allocated there was deferred to climate change agenda items, primarily EV infrastructure.
Just FWIW, as I said earlier, I included these haircuts in my quote. I did not say trillions for a reason. I said tens confidently with a question mark by hundreds, denoting this exact stuff.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:43 am to Dirk Dawgler
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What was missing was the expected grand amount allocated to road and bridge repairs. What we thought would be allocated there was deferred to climate change agenda items, primarily EV infrastructure.
You are reinforcing the point I made earlier. The money is there, but the Dems decide to further their agenda and spend it on climate conttol and not concrete and steel projects.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No. I quoted you. I never claimed it would solve our spending problem. That's an argument you made up on behalf of others just so you could argue it down. I think there's a word for that, but i can't seem to remember it...
Uh, you quoted
quote:OH! I REMEMBER! STRAWMAN!!! That's what it is! Congrats on killing your strawman! Nice job man
So you're wrong.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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And as I have pointed out, the Ukraine money is a rounding error.
You keep stating this as if it's some winning argument.
You are an idiot.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well that settles it!
It's not a budget, it's a spending bill.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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I never said that.
You have conflated it several times in this very thread.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:49 am to Taxing Authority
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I quoted you. I never claimed it would solve our spending problem.
You quoted a statement only applicable to spending (what it was responding directly towards).
The digression was solely about spending, and I replied along the theme of the digression with a comment about spending.
If you didn't want to discuss spending, why jump into the middle of a digression only discussing that topic?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What is the apporpriate amount of money to waste without benefit to the american constituency?
And as I have pointed out, the Ukraine money is a rounding error.
quote:Says the person arguing over the "difference" between normal appropriation bills and CRs.
Again, purposeful conflation for NPC talking points to avoid the real discussion.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:50 am to clacker
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You have conflated it several times in this very thread.
No, I have not.
Show me where I have.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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No, I have not.
Show me where I have.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:52 am to Taxing Authority
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Says the person arguing over the "difference" between normal appropriation bills and CRs.
Wrong. I'm arguing over the difference in budgets and spending bills/CRs.
Spending bills and CRs are much closer than compared to a budget.
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What is the apporpriate amount of money to waste without benefit to the american constituency?
That's impossible to answer, but it's still insignificant to the discussion of our spending problem.
A person calling Dave Ramey who is $2M in debt isn't going to be productive asking if he should pick up a penny off the ground as a method of combating his debt. Would it TECHNICALLY help? Sure. I mean, what's the appropriate amount of potential revenue to waste in that scenario?
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 10:53 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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You quoted a statement only applicable to spending (what it was responding directly towards).
and you accuse others of "conflating". Thanks for the laughs. quote:You are the one continually describing it as a "rounding error".
If you didn't want to discuss spending, why jump into the middle of a digression only discussing that topic?
I said ti reflects priorities. And it clearly does. You've done nothing to address that argument other than to say imply that that $150 billion is an acceptable amount of money to waste.
quote:If it's "insignificant to our spending problem" you clearly think it's acceptable. I refuse to believe you are too much of simpleton to understand your own arguments.
That's impossible to answer, but it's still insignificant to the discussion of our spending problem.
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 10:56 am
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