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re: The devastation of Helene has laid bare the fricked up priorities of the US government
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:54 am to FreddieMac
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:54 am to FreddieMac
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I hate that these people get elected and literally give zero shits about the needs of the people.
They develop systems, which benefit managers, not the people.
The Federal govt has to be whittled down or we will fail as a nation.
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:54 am to udtiger
Germany walked back their planned defense spending and decided to fund social programs instead. That shows you how much Germany and Europe are worried about Ukraine. The US is the military to Europe. It’s time for them to spend their own money and not always depend on the US to backstop them.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:55 am to udtiger
Those bridges could be replaced overnight if they called in the military. At least then heavy road building machines could move about and road building could begin thus quicking the progress of rebuilding infrastructure and jobs.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:55 am to Sofaking2
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Germany walked back their planned defense spending and decided to fund social programs instead.
We need to close all bases abroad and use that money to pay down debt..
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 9:56 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:55 am to OBReb6
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but the entire point is optics,
I did say it was a partisan conflation.
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the US government doesn’t care about its own people as much as foreign interests.
The US government spends a lot more than $150B over 2-3 years on its own people. Again, 1.25 months of SS spending.
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And you could argue the foreign interests are at a root a means of providing national security for the domestic population, which I think is bullshite, but regardless of that, is that point being effectively marketed?
I think people (on both sides of the Ukraine issue) are featuring partisan brain rot and rational discussion is rare, due to this.
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and you somehow feel justified in pulling off high level technicality arguments
I point out partisan brain rot and bad rhetoric on a message board dominated by one side of the partisan spectrum. It is what it is.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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It authorized spending, because it was a spending bill.
It contained the budget for a set period of time, because it is a budget.
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The reason we don't pass budgets is b/c of government, yes.
We do. Every year. As required by art1sec8.
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Nobody is defending government in this scenario.
Says the child that doesn’t believe in the belt.
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We do not pass budgets.
We do.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:56 am to Klark Kent
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SFP justifying this administrations Anti-American actions again.
Klark Kent is using a straw man again.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
It most certainly is coming from the same budget. The US budget paid for by the taxpayers. Also printed money that is paid by the taxpayers in the form of inflation.
I'm beginning to understand the "Slow" part.
I'm beginning to understand the "Slow" part.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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I point out partisan brain rot and bad rhetoric on a message board dominated by one side of the partisan spectrum. It is what it is.
I often do the same thing but I get puzzled by the choices you make sometimes
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:59 am to beerJeep
The last time the U.S. federal government passed all 12 appropriations bills before the start of the fiscal year was in 1997 for the FY1998 budget.
Since then, we have relied on containing resolutions, not a budget.
Those are facts, and you can temper tantrum in response all you want.
Since then, we have relied on containing resolutions, not a budget.
Those are facts, and you can temper tantrum in response all you want.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:01 am to OBReb6
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I often do the same thing but I get puzzled by the choices you make sometimes
It depends. Bad (but not terrible) arguments made by people who know better v. terrible arguments by idiots. There is a spectrum.
This is much more the former.
Remove the PBR and OP knows this is a silly conflation and just a bad talking point to rile up partisans.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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the feds spend a shite ton of money on these domestic issues. Over $1B.
Just imagine how much more they’d have to spend on domestic issues if we weren’t the welfare state for illegals and corrupt politicians in Europe
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:02 am to OBReb6
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I often do the same thing but I get puzzled by the choices you make sometimes
He believes his job here is whataboutism 247.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:05 am to Tiger Prawn
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Just imagine how much more they’d have to spend on domestic issues if we weren’t the welfare state for illegals and corrupt politicians in Europe
It would be roughly the same. We just wouldn't print the other money.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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The last time the U.S. federal government passed all 12 appropriations bills before the start of the fiscal year was in 1997 for the FY1998 budget.
Mnhmmmm
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Since then, we have relied on containing resolutions, not a budget.
The government, rather than being efficient and doing it all at once, found out they can do more talking and less doing by doing it multiple times a year.
Still accomplishes the same goal, just in a different, more government approved (read inefficient) manner.
Tomato, tomahto.
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Those are facts, and you can temper tantrum in response all you want.
The facts are that the yearly budget has continued to be posted yearly through a less efficient (more governmental) way.
The facts are that a budget does exist.
The facts are that it is a zero sum game.
The facts are just because daddy hasn’t gotten home with his belt yet doesn’t mean the belt isn’t on its way.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:09 am to beerJeep
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The government, rather than being efficient and doing it all at once, found out they can do more talking and less doing by doing it multiple times a year.
Yes. I'm glad you're finally accepting that they don't pass budgets.
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Still accomplishes the same goal, just in a different, more government approved (read inefficient) manner.
No it's not the same thing. An actual budget would be very restrictive (hence, to get back to the origin of this digression, the "one pot" system).
CRs permit spending at will for anything without impact on other spending.
Combine that with the ability to print, and, you just proved how the "one pot" doesn't exist, and that OP i a conflation.
Thank you.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:11 am to beerJeep
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The facts are that it is a zero sum game.
If this is true, show me what programs were cut when we spent trillions in 2020. If the "zero sum game" theory is correct, those trillions for Covid had to come from somewhere (or else the equation doesn't equal 0).
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm glad you're finally accepting that they don't pass budgets.
They do. As required by art1sec8. As posted earlier.
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No it's not the same thing. An actual budget would be very restrictive (hence, to get back to the origin of this digression, the "one pot" system).
The govt has never let the budget restrict them.
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Combine that with the ability to print, and, you just proved how the "one pot" doesn't exist, and that OP i a conflation.
It does exist, even if you and the children in government don’t believe it does.
But because the government has never let a little budget stop them from uncontrollable spending, we add 100,000 to our debt every 5 seconds.
The belt is coming though. When it appears the children will scream and act like they are surprised… but it was always coming.
Instead of tightening our belts and growing up to a point we can bear the pain of the impending leather meeting skin, we continue to be petulant children who ignore the reality of the belt and continue to spend baby spend.
It’s gonna be painful.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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If this is true, show me what programs were cut when we spent trillions in 2020. If the "zero sum game" theory is correct, those trillions for Covid had to come from somewhere (or else the equation doesn't equal 0).
They come when the belt appears. You can’t rob Peter to pay Paul forever.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:22 am to beerJeep
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we add 100,000 to our debt every 5 seconds.
And as I have pointed out, the Ukraine money is a rounding error.
Again, purposeful conflation for NPC talking points to avoid the real discussion.
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Instead of tightening our belts and growing up to a point we can bear the pain of the impending leather meeting skin, we continue to be petulant children who ignore the reality of the belt and continue to spend baby spend.
Let me know which Presidential candidate is proposing reducing SS and Medicare payments/spending (while maintaining the taxes).
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