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re: The definitive video showing Good's vehicle striking the agent

Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:19 pm to
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41747 posts
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:19 pm to
“It’s okay to run someone over if you didn’t intend to”

-slowdel
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41747 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 6:54 am to
quote:

Is there a person in front of your vehicle when you hit the gas?


He thinks that person should NOT be allowed to defend himself.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16406 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 11:17 am to
quote:

The person utilizing deadly force just have to have a reasonable fear that they are going to suffer serious bodily injury.


And did that look to you like she was using her vehicle in that manner? Ie with deadly force?
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16406 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 11:24 am to
quote:

He thinks that person should NOT be allowed to defend himself.


Absolutely not. I think someone has a right to defend themselves. I’ve taken courses on it.

I just don’t know if they can prove that she was trying to use her vehicle with deadly force. The video didn’t look like she was.

The distinction between a vehicle and a gun is very relevant though. If she was brandishing a gun, it’s clear that there is a risk. She wasn’t brandishing a gun though. She was driving her vehicle and was even stopped . She looked to me like she wanted to get away. Maybe she made statements about running the officer over or other comment that led them to feel threatened….
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 11:37 am to
If you want to argue it was attempted manslaughter versus attempted murder, that's fine.

It doesn't change the outcome or analysis of the police officers actions one bit. It does provide more context for social commentary.

But she definitely saw him when she gunned her car through him. So I don't think you can rule out intent.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128797 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 11:38 am to
quote:

And did that look to you like she was using her vehicle in that manner? Ie with deadly force?


Is Creole your first language?

It’s hard to figure out how you read what I said and responded with the above.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 11:41 am to
quote:

But she definitely saw him when she gunned her car through him.
I doubt it.

I think she was probably focused upon the other agent, who was trying to get into her driver-side window. She does not strike me as a person with a lot of situational-awareness.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 11:42 am
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16406 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

t doesn't change the outcome or analysis of the police officers actions one bit. It does provide more context for social commentary.


He used deadly force

Was she intending to kill him?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:59 pm to
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Was she intending to kill him?


Irrelevant.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 12:59 pm to
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He used deadly force. Was she intending to kill him?
Under relevant Minnesota law, her intent is irrelevant in evaluating HIS actions.

The only question is whether he had a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to protect his own life (or the lives of others) or to prevent serious bodily injury.

It does not matter whether she affirmatively wanted to kill him or if she didn't even know that he was present.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16406 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

Once again, slowly this time so you might have a 0.0001% of understanding...Her. Intent. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Charges. Against. Him


Sure it does and your juvenile internet insults don’t change it. Was she intending to kill the officer? Was his response reasonable under the circumstances? It can easily be argued no to both the former and the latter.

There are several cars in the area. Are they all deadly? Why didn’t he shoot those drivers?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

The only question is whether he had a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force was necessary to protect his own life (or the lives of others) or to prevent serious bodily injury.


FINALLY!!!!
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59466 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

There are several cars in the area. Are they all deadly? Why didn’t he shoot those drivers?


Which other car hit him?
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16406 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Which other car hit him?


I didn’t see any. But certainly they could have right?
They’re deadly….
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:05 pm to
Cajun, you are just wrong
quote:

609.066(2)(a)

... the use of deadly force by a peace officer in the line of duty is justified only if an objectively reasonable officer would believe, based on the totality of the circumstances known to the officer at the time and without the benefit of hindsight, that such force is necessary:

(1) to protect the peace officer or another from death or great bodily harm, provided that the threat:

(i) can be articulated with specificity;

(ii) is reasonably likely to occur absent action by the law enforcement officer; and

(iii) must be addressed through the use of deadly force without unreasonable delay ....
I find subpart (iii) interesting, because the term "must" seems to suggest that deadly force can be used ONLY if deadly force is the ONLY way to prevent death or injury. If that is the correct interpretation, that is a pretty damned high standard to meet.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 1:10 pm
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

FINALLY!!!!
It is exactly the same thing I have been saying the entire time.

Yes, I have used some hypos and analogies to try to help others UNDERSTAND the statute. That seems to have confused some of them, but I would have expected YOU to understand the approach.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19485 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

Sure it does and your juvenile internet insults don’t change it. Was she intending to kill the officer? Was his response reasonable under the circumstances? It can easily be argued no to both the former and the latter.



Holy shite. All you can do is just laugh at you at this point

Her.Intent.Has.No.Bearing.On.His.Situation

Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16406 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:13 pm to
Did his response match the offense?

Could he have taken other action to remedy the situation?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Could he have taken other action to remedy the situation?
THAT is where 609.066(2)(a)(1)(iii) becomes interesting.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 1:16 pm
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19922 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

He used deadly force

Was she intending to kill him?


Yes

They both had intentions to harm one another.

One walked away, one didn't.

Thankfully
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