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re: The dad knew Ahmaud previously
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:37 am to fatheadgator
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:37 am to fatheadgator
If you watch the video the conclusion of a reasonable person is that the shooting was inappropriate and not called for. This does not change anything on that front. I don't care if the guy left the McMichael's house with $300,000 worth of jewelry just before the shooting. You cannot follow someone and shoot them unless you believe you or someone else is in imminent danger. And no reasonable person can come to that conclusion watching this video.
It is amazing to me that people are trying to defend anything the McMichael's did here. On the flip side I think this idea that he was "just out jogging" or was out stealing doesn't matter. And I'm not sure why the family or supporters of the deceased feel the need to put it out. It simply doesn't matter.
It is amazing to me that people are trying to defend anything the McMichael's did here. On the flip side I think this idea that he was "just out jogging" or was out stealing doesn't matter. And I'm not sure why the family or supporters of the deceased feel the need to put it out. It simply doesn't matter.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:38 am to Azkiger
It is utterly amazing how people can know the history of how the media handles cases in this general subject matter and yet they STILL will run around acting like they have all the information they need to be CERTAIN without even holding a trial or even waiting a week or two to see what else comes out?
There's no rush. If these dudes are guilty and nothing new comes out, we can put them in jail.
But, I've got the good sense to know I've been narrative lied to before.
There's no rush. If these dudes are guilty and nothing new comes out, we can put them in jail.
But, I've got the good sense to know I've been narrative lied to before.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:38 am to rmc
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If you watch the video the conclusion of a reasonable person is that the shooting was inappropriate and not called for.
You're referring to the lie 9 seconds?
My God people. Have you learned NOTHING from history?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:38 am to StringedInstruments
If they witnessed him committing a felony (astronomically small chance they did) then under Georgia law they could make a citizens arrest. The jogger wouldn't be able to claim self defense in the scuffle over the shotgun, and it would be justified.
It all hinges on whether or not they saw him committing a felony. It seems they're claiming he was stealing, even still it has to be over a certain dollar amount to be a felony.
It all hinges on whether or not they saw him committing a felony. It seems they're claiming he was stealing, even still it has to be over a certain dollar amount to be a felony.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:39 am to StringedInstruments
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There is (almost) literally no backstory that can justify what transpired. Even if he had broken into and vandalized 20 homes that morning, citizens cannot perch from a truck and shoot someone dead.
Eh. If they actually witnessed a felony, they’d have a far better chance of walking.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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his new "information" really has no bearing on the murder case it only has bearing on the whole "holy shite this prosecutor's office should face consequences" case
I know
My point was simply that I expect this kind of trickle trickle drip drip of information on this case for a while.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:40 am to the808bass
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Lol. I’d bet McMichael couldn’t pick Arbery out of a lineup.
I don't know man. I imagine law enforcement remember people who run through a school with a gun.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:42 am to imjustafatkid
Yeah as racist as people can be, it doesn’t have the ring of truth that they would just be out hunting black dudes. People have some crazy imaginations.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:42 am to ShortyRob
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You're referring to the lie 9 seconds?
My God people. Have you learned NOTHING from history?
Can you give me a scenario of events that are not included in that video that make the shooting ok?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:42 am to Azkiger
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they could make a citizens arrest.
Can you help me understand what a citizens arrest is and the protocol for making one?
Cause I'm assuming it's not ambush a suspect and shoot from multiple angles.
Police follow a specific protocol before they pull the trigger. Even police in a rough situation have to prove their life was in imminent danger before shooting a suspect.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:42 am to Azkiger
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If they witnessed him committing a felony (astronomically small chance they did) then under Georgia law they could make a citizens arrest.
The local DA said they followed Georgia's citizens arrest law. The one the family demanded recuse.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:43 am to the808bass
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Eh. If they actually witnessed a felony, they’d have a far better chance of walking.
Agreed, unfortunately for them this likely isn't the case.
Worse, the fact they tried to stop him could be seen as unlawful detainment and automatically elevate this to first degree murder.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:43 am to the808bass
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Eh. If they actually witnessed a felony, they’d have a far better chance of walking.
And this is what drives me fricking batty. "OMG, I've seen the video, that's ALL I need to know"
WTF? No it isn't.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:43 am to the808bass
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Lol. I’d bet McMichael couldn’t pick Arbery out of a lineup.
Well, they do all kinda look the same...
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:43 am to StringedInstruments
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Cause I'm assuming it's not ambush a suspect and shoot from multiple angles.
That is not an accurate description of events.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:44 am to rmc
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On the flip side I think this idea that he was "just out jogging" or was out stealing doesn't matter. And I'm not sure why the family or supporters of the deceased feel the need to put it out. It simply doesn't matter.
Because narrative has become too important in today's media. It's not enough for it to be a lynching. It has to be the lynching of a perfectly innocent, sweet young boy, and that story has to represent the plight of all black men.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:45 am to rmc
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On the flip side I think this idea that he was "just out jogging" or was out stealing doesn't matter.
it doesn't matter
burglary isn't even a crime of violence, so if they witnesses him burgle the house (which they 100% did not), that alone doesn't allow a violent response. both are on even territory at that point. one group brought guns, the other had no weapon. that is agitation (especially since the one guy in the back of the truck NEVER stops aiming at the deceased). they initiated aggression with unequal force AND never relented that aggression
they are the aggressors and the deceased was allowed to defend himself. HE would have been justified shooting back but they were NEVER justified in shooting at him
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:45 am to imjustafatkid
He ran through the high school with a gun? Link?
You’re creating a picture in your head to justify him being shot. And it’s a bit disconnected from the facts.
You’re creating a picture in your head to justify him being shot. And it’s a bit disconnected from the facts.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:46 am to imjustafatkid
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That is not an accurate description of events.
They waited for the guy to run up to a particular location while they were waiting with guns. He ran around the truck and one of the men approached him while holding the gun. Ahmaud defended himself and they shot him dead.
What did I get wrong?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 8:46 am to ShortyRob
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My point was simply that I expect this kind of trickle trickle drip drip of information on this case for a while.
that's irrelevant, too
we already know what is in the police reports and what the video shows. there isn't really much else too relevant
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