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re: The cops are looking worse and worse here
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:28 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:28 pm to Lsuhoohoo
If the cops arrived while 4th grade kids were being murdered, they should have taken a hellofa lot more risk to stop it.
Maybe one makes a racket in the hall outside of the room the nut was lock in while the other tries of a clear shot from one of the exterior windows. It was a one story school.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:28 pm to NineLineBind
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I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero, for taking risks. When your culture makes George Floyd the hero, real heroes stand down. Cultural rot has consequences.
Damn!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:31 pm to Powerman
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The amount of ammunition the shooter has isn't infinite. People who aren't cowards would sacrifice themselves and take a few bullets that otherwise go into their kids. If enough adults stormed the place the shooter runs out of ammunition earlier and kids are saved.
Or he just kills the kids and countless adults?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:32 pm to PaperTiger
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because there are 50 police officers outside doesn't automatically mean there are 0 police officers inside.
Uh, the Texas Ranger guy doing the news conference admitted the cops pulled back in their initial assault inside the building when they were fired upon and waited an hour for a tactical team to show up before entering the building again. Why do you have a hard time comprehending that? How many kids might have bled to death during that time? Yeah, I know you don't know, neither does anyone. That's the redassing thing about this whole debacle. Parents wanted to see if their kids were okay and after the police decided it wasn't pertinent to go in and see if there were any wounded still alive they made the decision not to let the parents in either. Just how gut wrenching do you think that is for a parent?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:33 pm to Homesick Tiger
He also reported they were evacuating all the other children and faculty within 4 minutes. Don't leave out that part.
Don't act like they ALL stood there and did nothing. That's stupid
Don't act like they ALL stood there and did nothing. That's stupid
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:34 pm to Auburn1968
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Maybe one makes a racket in the hall outside of the room the nut was lock in while the other tries of a clear shot from one of the exterior windows. It was a one story school.
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If enough adults stormed the place the shooter runs out of ammunition earlier and kids are saved.
This situation might have possibly been able to be handled better, but you Monday morning QBs are fricking awful
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:34 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Parents wanted to see if their kids were okay and after the police decided it wasn't pertinent to go in and see if there were any wounded still alive they made the decision not to let the parents in either. Just how gut wrenching do you think that is for a parent?
I can't even imagine. I would want to kill the police to get inside.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:34 pm to Allister Fiend
When the officers refused to try to save the kids was when they lost me.
They are trained for this...often.
They are equipped with body armor and helmets that will stop 7.62 rounds...a common AR round.
They are simply not equipped with courage.
When the elite BP guys showed up they took POS down in a matter of minutes.
They did not need the BP team, they needed balls.
I hope they have nightmares for the rest of their lives and see the faces of those kids in their dreams.
They are trained for this...often.
They are equipped with body armor and helmets that will stop 7.62 rounds...a common AR round.
They are simply not equipped with courage.
When the elite BP guys showed up they took POS down in a matter of minutes.
They did not need the BP team, they needed balls.
I hope they have nightmares for the rest of their lives and see the faces of those kids in their dreams.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:37 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Uh, the Texas Ranger guy doing the news conference admitted the cops pulled back in their initial assault inside the building when they were fired upon and waited an hour for a tactical team to show up before entering the building again. Why do you have a hard time comprehending that? How many kids might have bled to death during that time? Yeah, I know you don't know, neither does anyone. That's the redassing thing about this whole debacle. Parents wanted to see if their kids were okay and after the police decided it wasn't pertinent to go in and see if there were any wounded still alive they made the decision not to let the parents in either. Just how gut wrenching do you think that is for a parent?
It just seems like y’all wanted 50 people to be sacrificed for these kids to potentially still die. Yes, we could’ve traded adult lives tor kids, but that’s an if scenario. What if the guy slaughters the classroom first then slaughters anyone charging him from an easily defendable position.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:38 pm to Palmetto98
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It just seems like y’all wanted 50 people to be sacrificed for these kids to potentially still die. Yes, we could’ve traded adult lives tor kids, but that’s an if scenario
We're talking about 50 people that have armored vests and firearms training. Not some random dudes that work in accounting.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:38 pm to Powerman
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I would want to kill the police to get inside.
Dude you’ve lost your mind
I want you to just take a break and think about what you’re saying
In two pages you’ve said a good strategy for ending this was letting this coward just stack bodies and kill everyone until he runs out of ammunition.. and you’ve also said you’d shoot at the cops outside (during an active shooter situation nonetheless
) the building in order to get into the building… What in the actual frick?? Might be time to back away from the internet man. I don’t think you have the answers we need
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:39 pm to zsav77
quote:Are they heavily financed, though?
I hear you and understand… I just find it hard to believe this particular department (that we now know is heavily financed and equipped) wouldn’t have the proper protocols in place after what we’ve learned in the 20+ years since Columbine. Not to mention the heavier emphasis on moving to the shooter as quick as possible as the procedures have evolved.
And if the protocols are in place to immediately go to the shooter and they didn’t, oh boy.
I'm asking honestly, because the photo of the team I saw might be showing 10K or so of equipment. shite, I bet half the Outdoor Board would put those baws (and the one bawette) to shame.
There are a ton of LE grants out there. The next time you see an MVI or seatbelt checkpoint, you can probably thank NHTSA for funding it. Scratch out X number of seatbelt violations and the department gets 60K or something like that.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:40 pm to PaperTiger
quote:The first priority is to go to the shooter and eliminate the threat. Once you have resources dedicated and working on that you evacuate the kids.
He also reported they were evacuating all the other children and faculty within 4 minutes. Don't leave out that part.
Don't act like they ALL stood there and did nothing. That's stupid
I know a bunch of cops, and while some may be the life long meter maids, a good amount wouldn't stand by with kids getting slaughtered. I think this was just some podunk town with a large amount of officers that were cowards putting in time for retirement. Probably more cowards than your average podunk town pd.
Being cowards, the locals will try to hide everything as long as they can. Hopefully the state le pulls back the curtain.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:40 pm to Powerman
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We're talking about 50 people that have armored vests and firearms training. Not some random dudes that work in accounting.
Well who is going to keep these unarmed hero parents at bay? You don’t need 50 men to storm a small classroom!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:41 pm to TigerLicks
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I'm confused and maybe someone could clarify this. I've seen that he crashes the vehicle and 911 is called. I've also now read that he was outside of the school shooting for 12 minutes. The Uvalde PD HQ is around 3-4000 ft away from the school by road. How do they not encounter him outside? And if so why can't they take him down(known he has armor)?
No idea.
What happened to the border patrol that was in pursuit? Did that end up being false
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:42 pm to Palmetto98
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Well who is going to keep these unarmed hero parents at bay? You don’t need 50 men to storm a small classroom!
Maybe the three officers who were in the building soon enough to engage in fire with the perp and who then remained there for an hour could’ve done something? Or they could just take cover while kids are shot and bleed out..
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:42 pm to mmcgrath
The internet in a nutshell:
Dude’s giving out active shooter seminars on the internet because he knows a cop
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The first priority is to go to the shooter and eliminate the threat. Once you have resources dedicated and working on that you evacuate the kids.
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I know a bunch of cops
Dude’s giving out active shooter seminars on the internet because he knows a cop
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:42 pm to TheRouxGuru
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What in the actual frick?? Might be time to back away from the internet man. I don’t think you have the answers we need
I know the answer isn't what they actually did which was effectively nothing
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:43 pm to Dawgfanman
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Maybe the three officers who were in the building soon enough to engage in fire with the perp and who then remained there for an hour could’ve done something? Or they could just take cover while kids are shot and bleed out..
Didn’t he basically defeat them hence why they needed to call backup?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:44 pm to Dawgfanman
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Maybe the three officers who were in the building soon enough to engage in fire with the perp and who then remained there for an hour could’ve done something? Or they could just take cover while kids are shot and bleed out..
Which seems to be the case based on what we know
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