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re: The cops are looking worse and worse here
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:21 pm to Crimsonians
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:21 pm to Crimsonians
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A cops #1 job is to follow protocol and be able to go home after their shift. Not be Rambo and charge into a school.
Then they should stop fooling the public into thinking they can protect them and their children, since they obviously can’t and it isn’t even their number 1 job.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:22 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:OF course not. And I honestly don't have problem if cops don't want to go in. You can't demand/enforce bravery of others.. But it seems at this point, in this case, the cops were enforcing cowardice on others. That is very, very different.
Nah. Not everyone operates this way.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:25 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think it's the whole story. Lack of preparation, lack of confidence, lack of a plan...I think those were all far larger factors than being scared.
So they like getting dressed up in their tac gear and playing cop, but when SHTF, they didn’t have a plan.
I think your point is spot on. It’s a very sad point. I’m not sure I would be any better in the moment. But I hope I would be. And if it was my job, I damn sure better be.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:29 pm to the808bass
quote:$100 says that last week this crew just LOVED dressing up in all this fancy gear and strutting around town.
So they like getting dressed up in their tac gear and playing cop, but when SHTF, they didn’t have a plan.
Another $100 says that they will be doing far less strutting for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:30 pm to the808bass
Okay. Next hypothetical school shooting scenario. You and your buddies are cops. You all are married with multiple young kids. 3 guys enter a school to cause mass casualties. 1 guy to do the damage. The other 2 to hide near doors to pick off cops as they enter. I'm sure your protocol is to rush into the school before the group is ready.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:30 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:Or perhaps the public needs to wisen up and realize that no one can completely protect everyone.
Then they should stop fooling the public into thinking they can protect them and their children, since they obviously can’t and it isn’t even their number 1 job.
A lot of people will tell you it's a tough job. A lot people will laugh and make donut jokes about how it isn't a tough job.
Having done it, I think it is among the world's hardest jobs to do well. We had a few guys who were lazy shitbags, a few who overcompensated in the toughness department, a few who meant well but didn't take care of their bodies or their firearm proficiency or their knowledge of revised statutes.
But for the guys I was proud to have policed with, we had to be marriage counselors, grief counselors, referees, bouncers, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters...it's a lot to ask of someone to be able to do it all without fault.
So is it the world's toughest job on its surface? No. But the men and women who do it as it should be done should be heralded.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:31 pm to Crimsonians
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Then please explain protocol wise one.
Protocol one in an active shooting in a public place is
1) assessment - could take 30 seconds, is there still an active shooter?
2) individual officer intervention if appropriate
3) neutralizing the shooter
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:31 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Or perhaps the public needs to wisen up and realize that no one can completely protect everyone.
Absolutely.
quote:
Having done it, I think it is among the world's hardest jobs to do well.
Agreed.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:32 pm to keakar
In CT in 1982 or thereabouts Tracy Thurman was stabbed, beaten, kicked, etc. leaving her paralyzed and in the hospital for 8 months. The one lone cop who showed up stayed in his car without so much as helping her except to take the knife from her ex-husband after he nearly killed her and didn't arrest him. Additional cops did not show up for at least 1 hour. Thurman made repeated attempts to get help from the police without much success. Ultimately she sued and won a $1.9 million dollar settlement.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:32 pm to the808bass
Courts have consistently ruled that cops really are not obligated to protect people, so this all totally checks out.
Again, heads need to roll, but they won't.
Again, heads need to roll, but they won't.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:32 pm to Crimsonians
You need to stop posting. You’re almost retarded.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:33 pm to Crimsonians
quote:The father of one of my daughters class mates is cop. I have zero hesitation to say he would be in that school.
Okay. Next hypothetical school shooting scenario. You and your buddies are cops. You all are married with multiple young kids. 3 guys enter a school to cause mass casualties. 1 guy to do the damage. The other 2 to hide near doors to pick off cops as they enter. I'm sure your protocol is to rush into the school before the group is ready.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:33 pm to mwade91383
The Parkland SRO who hid in the bushes got reinstated at the same seniority with back pay.
No heads will roll. Those guys might have to move out of a small town like Uvalde, though.
No heads will roll. Those guys might have to move out of a small town like Uvalde, though.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:34 pm to Taxing Authority
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The father of one of my daughters class mates is cop. I have zero hesitation to say he would be in that school.
The female SRO who lives down the street from me would be in that school. There could be five shooters and she would be in there.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:34 pm to the808bass
quote:Call it a small town mentality, maybe? Mayberry?
So they like getting dressed up in their tac gear and playing cop, but when SHTF, they didn’t have a plan.
I think your point is spot on. It’s a very sad point. I’m not sure I would be any better in the moment. But I hope I would be. And if it was my job, I damn sure better be.
I policed in two top 30 cities. Plenty of crime and plenty of work to be done. Most of our uniform guys took their shite very seriously. The SRT boys were absolutely laced up to the max. They had to be. Between warrant service and active rolls, our boys deployed at least once a week. They spent hours every week at the range and O-course.
But that's also the benefit of a much larger department with a deep pool of candidates and a large budget.
This group may not have had those advantages, which ended up being detrimental to the public.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:35 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Call it a small town mentality, maybe? Mayberry?
Yeah. Probably why the back door of the school was propped open. No big deal. What’s going to happen in Uvalde.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:35 pm to the808bass
Well, you are the one that thinks cops are the ones that lock a school down. One of your many clueless thoughts.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:35 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:Absolutely. But the disconnect is not allowing others willing people to do the protecting.
Or perhaps the public needs to wisen up and realize that no one can completely protect everyone.
quote:Without doubt. And I don't think the criticisim is saying "all cops are bad". I'm certainly not. But Ray Charles could see this could have been handled better.
Having done it, I think it is among the world's hardest jobs to do well.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:36 pm to Crimsonians
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A cops #1 job is to follow protocol and be able to go home after their shift. Not be Rambo and charge into a school.
So we should change their motto to "I am going home safe, even if I have to sacrifice 19 kids to do it". It may not fit on the side of the car as well as "to protect and serve" but it gets the point across. On the other side they can have "if you go to work when we tell you not to, we will arrest your arse and shut down your business". Who needs 2A with protection like that on your side?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:36 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Would you and your cop buddies stood around for an hour while a nut job was shooting kids?
I get it's an extremely difficult job. Now grow some balls and try to save kids.
I get it's an extremely difficult job. Now grow some balls and try to save kids.
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