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re: The CEO of the company with the missing sub refused to hire qualified crew
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:52 pm to Flats
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:52 pm to Flats
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Sounds like redundancy was too expensive.
Too bad, that.
When it comes to living human bodies packed into a sardine can thousands of feet below the ocean's surface, I would think that at least a near-overkill level of redundancy would be financially acceptable, considering possible liability in the event of loss of life.
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:00 pm to TigerAxeOK
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When it comes to living human bodies packed into a sardine can thousands of feet below the ocean's surface, I would think that at least a near-overkill level of redundancy would be financially acceptable, considering possible liability in the event of loss of life.
I'm not sure how much the original Alvin DSV cost, but its replacement is estimated (it will go over) at $21 million. Even accounting for government inefficiency, let's say you could build a robust, safe DSV for $10 million. This guy said he built his for $1 million.
Our navy does do near-overkill on SubSafe stuff, but that's a result of losing the Thresher to a very small but insufficiently inspected weld. That boat probably had miles of weld beads, but it only took one failure to sink it.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:04 pm to This GUN for HIRE
When DEI leads to DIE.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:11 pm to Bayou Brat
quote:not very inspirational
He looks to be around 50-ish.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:11 pm to anc
He fricked around and found out
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:12 pm to Flats
They were too cheap to buy Triton. The 36000/2 is full ocean depth. They’ve been down in the Mariana Trench. The Titanic Explorer 13000/2 was made for exactly that mission. Granted, it’s only 2 people on those models but they can custom build anything. They are here in Indian River County, FL. I see those guys around town all the time. You get what you pay for. Why in the world would you skimp on safety features at that depth?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:32 pm to Flats
Flats, great info here. I've been a SCUBA diver for 15 years and served on US submarines as an officer. You definitely know your stuff.
As for this mini sub, I cannot believe this wasn't tethered to a winched cable on the support vessel that was rated to pull up the mini sub under any scenario, including if the mini sub was caught on something. Any possible way that sub could've been caught, such as those ski looking legs, should intentionally have a weak tear strength so you could rip them off and winch the sub back up. Any loss of comms etc should result in an immediate retrieval.
Wouldn't help for an implosion of course but if they're down there still alive but running out of O2 simply because they have no propulsion or are entangled on the Titanic.. then what the frick
As for this mini sub, I cannot believe this wasn't tethered to a winched cable on the support vessel that was rated to pull up the mini sub under any scenario, including if the mini sub was caught on something. Any possible way that sub could've been caught, such as those ski looking legs, should intentionally have a weak tear strength so you could rip them off and winch the sub back up. Any loss of comms etc should result in an immediate retrieval.
Wouldn't help for an implosion of course but if they're down there still alive but running out of O2 simply because they have no propulsion or are entangled on the Titanic.. then what the frick
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:34 pm to Flats
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I'm not sure how much the original Alvin DSV cost, but its replacement is estimated (it will go over) at $21 million. Even accounting for government inefficiency, let's say you could build a robust, safe DSV for $10 million. This guy said he built his for $1 million.
Our navy does do near-overkill on SubSafe stuff, but that's a result of losing the Thresher to a very small but insufficiently inspected weld. That boat probably had miles of weld beads, but it only took one failure to sink it.
The crazy thing is for his clientele, price wouldn't seem to matter. If it was $750,000 per seat instead of $250,000, I'm sure he could still fill any voyage he wanted
$250,000 is bargain basement for these people. And when your life is on the line...
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:36 pm to Browncd81
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As for this mini sub, I cannot believe this wasn't tethered to a winched cable on the support vessel that was rated to pull up the mini sub under any scenario,
He made a point of saying that he used titanium and carbon fiber to keep the weight down so his surface support vessel would be cheaper to lease. He didn't want to pay for a vessel with a payout reel would be my guess.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:38 pm to Flats
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He made a point of saying that he used titanium and carbon fiber to keep the weight down so his surface support vessel would be cheaper to lease. He didn't want to pay for a vessel with a payout reel would be my guess.
Gee, I couldn't imagine signing up for this trip and not wondering - if the sub was disabled, can it be pulled back to the surface. It doesn't seem like you'd need a background in naval architecture to expect to see that
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:10 pm to Browncd81
All I wanna know is how long it’s going to take for south park to parody this.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:27 pm to Flats
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You really don't have that many air voids that would be crushed under sudden pressure. You'd have some ugliness around the ears and eyes but the body would be the same size and would look like a normal body.
I’m an engineer, but I’m not a SME in this. Common sense leads me to believe you are probably right. There would be some deforming, but the body would not look radically different in shape.
Going the other way is different. If the body suddenly went from 5000 PSIA to 14.7 PSIA it would explode.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:36 pm to TigerAxeOK
Only good will be you won't see this kind of rig again. Was shocked to learn no tether. How did canada approve this. Who is the PM?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 3:37 pm to The Maj
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Making stupid decisions usually results in some serious consequences...
the welfare apparatus of the USA says otherwise
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:00 pm to riccoar
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re: The CEO of the company with the missing sub refused to hire qualified crewPosted on 6/21/23 at 7:59 am to anc
I don't watch the news, so what is the latest
they've got one more day of air or if someone kills the others, five days.
a noise has been heard.
the navy ship on the way that could probably lift it up is still 2.5 days out.
titanic is in 12500 ft.
the ship was built on the cheap. 1 million.
you can buy a real sub for 10m.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 5:40 pm to anc
As many people already know the debris field of the sub was found 1600 from the bow of the sunken Titanic by an ROV. The sub was broken into 5 major pieces. Also the pressure containing shell of the sub was made of carbon fiber. Poor engineering decision on two aspects; toughness and fatigue cycles.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 5:55 pm to GumboPot
I think the end caps were titanium, main tube was CF. Carbon fiber in compression is sketchy as hell.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:03 pm to Bayou Brat
I'm not a engineer in any capacity, but that tub looks like a POS. I've seen better looking equipment touted for cruise-ship shore excursions that are only exploring reefs a few hundred feet deep, and I still wouldn't climb into it.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:09 pm to keks tadpole
take away message
there are dumb billionaires
there are dumb billionaires
Posted on 6/22/23 at 6:13 pm to anc
He didn't live to regret that statement.
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