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Posted on 10/18/26 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 10/18/26 at 6:54 pm to
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Proving “bribery” requires evidence of a quid pro quo. What evidence do you have that anyone who donated to the construction of the ball room received a quid pro quo from President Trump?


Do you think Hunter Biden’s paintings were really worth $50,000? Do you doubt that Clinton pardoned Marc Rich because of his wife's contributions to the Clinton Library. You think the contributions made to the Clinton Foundation were made for pure reasons?

Why do we suddenly lose all common sense depending on who is the subject of the equation?

Yes, there probably isn't a note that says "I donated $3 million to the Ballroom to get a pardon for my father"... but it's a logical inference.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8944 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 6:55 pm to
From the progress photos, the place is a fortress.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
11741 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

Yes, there probably isn't a note that says "I donated $3 million to the Ballroom to get a pardon for my father"... but it's a logical inference.


So you have no evidence. Thank you for answering honestly.
Posted by DeBoar
Member since Jan 2024
6944 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 6:59 pm to
Should I find him saying he supports what Trump does and his policy positions which would include pay for play? Lol
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
13284 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 6:59 pm to
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What actual evidence do you have of a quid pro quo?


What actual evidence did people have that Denise (?) Rich donated millions to the Clintons for a pardon of her husband?

Notice Trump won't sue anybody for defamation over these claims. Of course, this DOJ isn't going to examine the connections between the donations and the benefits.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
11741 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:04 pm to
Because the Riches made a donation in the final months of Clinton’s administration and then Mark Rich was pardoned. That absolutely raises an inference and is evidence of a quid pro quo.

You have not and cannot show any evidence of this with the Ballroom. It’s a public building. It’s no different than donating to a museum preservation fund.

The best argument you could make is that a donor did so to buy goodwill with the president and his administration. However, that is not evidence of bribery and the Supreme Court has been crystal clear on that point.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
13284 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:14 pm to
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Because the Riches made a donation in the final months of Clinton’s administration and then Mark Rich was pardoned. That absolutely raises an inference and is evidence of a quid pro quo.

You have not and cannot show any evidence of this with the Ballroom. It’s a public building. It’s no different than donating to a museum preservation fund.



If TIMING is the basis of the inference, most of the known ballroom donations meet that criteria.

The public museum analogy fails because the museum director doesn't have the immense power that the President has, unrelated to the Ballroom...pardons, killing investigations, awarding billions in no bid contracts.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
58647 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:17 pm to
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Except, none of that happened.

No shite! You seemed to have missed his point, which was a hypothetical. You rushed in and claimed that his hypothetical didn’t actually happen. Well, yeah.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:19 pm to
Look at Corky go!

Posted by Dee_oh_Dee
Member since Aug 2024
419 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:20 pm to
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... but it's a logical inference.



In the words of SlowAuntFloPro, "no evidence."

I've never seen you disagree with him, so why start now?
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
29947 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:44 pm to
You are pathetic for wanting communism to take over our country.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
13284 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:45 pm to
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So you have no evidence. Thank you for answering honestly.


There is as much evidence as there was for Clinton and the Marc Rich pardon.

Again, we all knew that Hunter Biden’s paintings weren't worth $50,000. Why do we have to pretend to be dumb now?
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
93763 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:45 pm to
Lol

Except it was proven he rented out the Lincoln bedroom brah
This post was edited on 10/18/26 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
11741 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:46 pm to
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There is as much evidence as there was for Clinton and the Marc Rich pardon.


Then show us the quid pro quo with the Ballroom, Hank.
Posted by Da #1 Stunna
985
Member since Oct 2012
2243 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 7:53 pm to
You are a POS loser.

Let the adults worry about the country.

You have bigger issues with your flailing football team. LOL

Posted by Islander
Orange Beach, AL
Member since Aug 2012
355 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 8:01 pm to
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You are pathetic for wanting communism to take over our country.


What is it with you stupid fricks that think it is Trump or a leftist takeover? You are mouth breathing, window licking idiots! Ron DeSantis would be doing a bang up job as POTUS. Even Nikki Haley Haley would putting this current shite show to shame. We could have had a fiscally conservative sensible government right now. But no. You dumb fricks had to cast your lot with a travelling salesman that tells you everything you want to hear, but nothing you need to know. You are all stupid as frick. Its that simple.
This post was edited on 10/18/26 at 8:04 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
17403 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 8:03 pm to

Its more affordable

Teump has let this thing go off the rails coastwise

Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
17403 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

You are pathetic for wanting communism to take over our country.


Uh… have you seen the favors that trump has given Putin who runs the largest communist state on the planet

and have you seen the list of private companies that trump has used our tax dollars to buy?
Posted by Islander
Orange Beach, AL
Member since Aug 2012
355 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 8:08 pm to
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You have bigger issues with your flailing football team. LOL


Sick burn bringing our shitty football team into a political exchange about your shitty president. You just proved my point. You have nothing to back up your boy but deflection. That is pitiful. Try again and do better next time swamp donkey.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
13284 posts
Posted on 10/18/26 at 8:12 pm to
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Then show us the quid pro quo with the Ballroom, Hank.


Why? You're too much of a pussy to even watch the short video I posted.

I will humor you though. It's all as much proof as there was with Clinton/Rich pardon. For some reason, you are now insisting on a signed confession because it's Trump, not Clinton.

quote:

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President Donald Trump's secret White House ballroom donor list has leaked, revealing that some of the $333 million comes from companies with lucrative government business interests and a $2.5 million pledge by the daughter of a banker who Trump later pardoned.

Internal fundraising records obtained by The Washington Post identify 67 donations over $10,000 and show at least $77 million came from donors who requested to stay anonymous. The report says the money was funneled through a nonprofit into a White House account controlled by the president.

One of the more controversial names on the list is Isabela Herrera, who is the daughter of international banker Julio Herrera Velutini. Her father was indicted in 2022 for allegedly helping finance a Puerto Rican governor's campaign in exchange for getting rid of a regulator investigating his bank.

Following Trump's 2024 presidential campaign victory, the Post’s expose revealed that Isabela Herrera gave $3.5 million to a Trump-aligned political committee. In September 2025, she also pledged $2.5 million to the ballroom fund and paid the first installment of $835,000 the following month.

Shortly after the donation, in August 2025, prosecutors had reduced her father's bribery case charges to a misdemeanor through a plea deal. Trump then pardoned him in January 2026, four months after his daughter's ballroom donor pledge.

The reporting does not establish a specific link to the ballroom donation influencing the pardon.

Apple and Nvidia each committed $25 million, as did billionaire Charles Ergen and the Adelson family. Nvidia sought anonymity for its contribution, even though it publicly supported the project.

Ergen put up his $25 million once federal regulators had closed an inquiry into his firm, the telecommunications company EchoStar. In the case of Rocket Companies, a subsidiary put forward a $10 million pledge some weeks after one of its big acquisitions was given the nod by a federal agency, per the documents. Rocket has said there is no link between the gift and the government’s sanction.

The Post found that about half of the funds raised come from companies or executives tied to federal contracts during Trump's second term.

White House spokesman Davis Ingle defended the donors and said the administration would hunt down the leakers. He described allegations of conflicts of interest as baseless and added that the contributors are “a wide array of great American companies and generous individuals.”

Despite Trump’s claim that he will also help fund the project, his name did not appear on the list.

The $333 million in pledges is far below his initial target of $400 million. Furthermore, the cost of building the larger East Wing project has soared to $600 million.




Alternet.org: Trump Donor List Revealed
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