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re: The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:05 pm to Revelator
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:05 pm to Revelator
quote:Perhaps.
If the Bible where talking specifically about a man having sex with an adolescent male or about rape, it would say so
quote:Personally, I cannot make heads or tails of the literal translation. Perhaps context might help.
A. Hebrew: w’eth-zäkhar lö’ tiškav miškeve ‘iššâ
B. Literal Translation: With male you shall not lie/bed lyings/beddings of a woman. abomination is that.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 2:25 pm
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:06 pm to Azkiger
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The old testament absolutely condemned homosexuality.
I do believe she is right about Jesus never speaking out against homosexuality, though.
Neither slavery nor abortion were weighed in on either yet that does not stop them, modern day Christianity has almost nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus, it is about church doctrine.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:09 pm to AggieHank86
An Old Testament with many rules around cleanliness would never ok poop penis.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:09 pm to L.A.
quote:That was my understanding from the article that I read. It that was the intent in Leviticus, it would have predated the cults in Rome that had similar practices. But didn't those cults make their way to Rome from the East anyway?
Well, there was the male prostitution at the temples of a number of contemporary religionsquote:
Near Eastern?
quote:Honestly, I didn't think it was a particularly good arguments, so I did not spend a lot of time/though on it. But they were probably Christian (at least nominally), yes. Why?
and SOME scholars interpret the Leviticus passage as a reference to making use of those prostitutes.quote:
I've got $20 that says the scholars are Christian, not Jewish. Am I right?
EDIT:
VERY quick research says that there were similar cults in Greece in the late Classical period. It is certainly possible that Hellenized Jews in the post-Alexander empire(s) would have had exposure to those temples and practices. Whether Leviticus refers to THEM is a separate and interesting issue, given all the questions about when Leviticus was written and how many times (and when) it was later edited/amended.
If it was written pre-Babylonian Captivity and never amended, no. But if it was either written or amended LATER (after the Persian period), maybe. It would still be hundreds of years before Paul would have been reading and referencing Leviticus.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:10 pm to roadGator
quote:You never fail to be entertaining!
An Old Testament with many rules around cleanliness would never ok poop penis.
Kudos.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:11 pm to AggieHank86
KISS is beautiful
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:20 pm to THog
quote:
but does it refer to all homosexuality, specific form of homosexuality (man & boy), married man & boy, or ritualistic homosexuality (cult sex for pagan idols)?
The Bible prohibits garden variety banging of hoes. It does not specifically prohibit banging hoes as part of cult worship of Super Saiyan. So I restrict my banging hoes to my cult worship of Super Saiyan. That keeps me in good standing with YHVH.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:23 pm to rattlebucket
Not for nothing, but Jesus didn’t speak Greek either. So, there’s all sorts of issues with words not existing prior to any English translation.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Even if Leviticus was written post-exile, it's still going to be earlier than that time frame
VERY quick research says that there were similar cults in Greece in the late Classical period. It is certainly possible that Hellenized Jews in the post-Alexander empire(s) would have had exposure to those temples and practices. Whether Leviticus refers to THEM is a separate and interesting issues, given all the questions about when Leviticus was written and how many times (and when) it was later edited/amended.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:26 pm to AggieHank86
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It seems odd that one (and only one) element of the Holiness Codes should continue into Christianity.
What seems odd is that a non-Christian is here telling Christians what their beliefs should be.
Actually, it’s asinine.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:28 pm to the808bass
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What seems odd is that a non-Christian is here telling Christians what their beliefs should be.
A minority of Christians have actually read the Bible cover to cover. That’s asinine.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:32 pm to Esquire
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A minority of Christians have actually read the Bible cover to cover. That’s asinine.
Sure. And irrelevant to this discussion.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:32 pm to L.A.
quote:Isn't the current/prevailing theory that there are three (or maybe even four) "layers" or sources in Leviticus, each from different time periods?
Even if Leviticus was written post-exile, it's still going to be earlier than that time frame
I know the theory is for four layers/sources in Genesis, and Leviticus is next-oldest.
The Jahwist (J), Elohist (E), and Deuteronomist (D) sources/layers would pretty-clearly pre-date the Hellenistic period, but the Priestly (P) source could easily be during that time period, could it not?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:33 pm to Jjdoc
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Here is Hank doing it again...
It is his passion…. He will defend sexual deviance in all forms, even the most disgusting forms…. His depraved mind knows no bounds…
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:34 pm to the808bass
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Sure. And irrelevant to this discussion.
How so? If you haven’t read it, how do you know what to believe?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:34 pm to the808bass
quote:You can "believe" anything that you want. No skin off my nose.
What seems odd is that a non-Christian is here telling Christians what their beliefs should be.
I am just trying to understand the authorship and meaning of a collection of fascinating historical documents.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:35 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Not for nothing, but Jesus didn’t speak Greek either. So, there’s all sorts of issues with words not existing prior to any English translation.
Explicate this idea a little more.
Let’s say Jesus speaks in Aramaic. And then the writer of a New Testament book is writing in Greek. What’s the issue?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:35 pm to AggieHank86
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I am just trying to understand the authorship and meaning of a collection of fascinating historical documents.
This is a lie. You’re explaining Christian documents to Christians. And not all that well.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:37 pm to the808bass
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This is a lie. You’re explaining Christian documents to Christians
That fricker believes everything he reads, then immediately believes he's an expert.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:38 pm to Esquire
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How so? If you haven’t read it, how do you know what to believe?
Orthodox Christianity hasn’t deviated on its proscription against homosexual behavior for millennia. Unless you think there’s new scholarship going down in this thread, the theological heavy lifting has already been accomplished. Even if I hadn’t read the Bible, I could rely on many other scholars who had done the work prior to me.
I’m not in favor of this approach. But saying “you haven’t read the Bible, therefore you can’t believe the right thing” is a dumb argument.
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