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re: The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:40 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:40 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
1. Exactly what is the prohibition? 2. Exactly to whom does it apply?
Pretty easy Hanky
1. Sexual deviance is the prohibition.
2. Applies to everyone
Already been proven you have a depraved mind in several other threads so I highly doubt your search for understanding will result in true understanding…. The lost have to have a desire to be found…
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:40 pm to the808bass
quote:If Professor Oxford is correct in asserting that for 500 years every translation into every modern language has interpreted the phrase as applying to the molestation of young boys, is it not a "challenge" to explain why that is not the prevailing English translation?
The challenge is to determine exactly what SORT of relationship was being discussed.quote:
It’s not a challenge.
It strikes me as challenging indeed.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:43 pm to Esquire
quote:
Does they Bible ever say anything positive about wearing mixed fabrics?
What you are mentioning was commanded specifically to the Jews for a particular time for a particular reason. The admonitions against homosexuality are in the Old and New Testament and for both Jew and Gentile.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
It sounds to me as if your catechism may not directly address the issue, and you are unwilling to admit as much. Oh well
Lol, I guess you’ll never know, “scholar.”
Let me get this straight…
You are arguing for the Christian endorsement of homosexual behavior, yet you are refusing to read what the Catholic Church - probably recognized as THE most notable institution on the planet in opposition to gay marriage - has to say about it?
Wow, what a fraud you’ve exposed yourself to be in this thread.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:44 pm to Revelator
quote:Not at all. Of course there have been same-sex erotic interactions since the beginning of time. Again, the challenge is to determine exactly WHICH such interactions are addressed in Leviticus and (by incorporation) in Corinthians, since Paul was attempting a word-for-word translation of Leviticus.
Are you suggesting that people didn’t perform homosexual acts before this time because there was no word to describe it?
An attempt to understand the meaning of the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE is not a "word game," Revelator. It is the only reasonable way to reach an understanding of the passages in question.
quote:Was that term used anywhere in the Bible? If not, no, that does not seem productive.
So do you prefer the term sodomites?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:45 pm to L.A.
quote:
It’s impossible to read the Bible and not come away with the conclusion that the Bible takes a dim view of homosexuality,
Unless you are a homosexual and trying to justify your lifestyle
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:45 pm to blueboy
The Hebrew word translated man in Leviticus 18:22 is a general term for being male and could apply to any male, human or animal, adult, child or teenager. So it’s any sexual activity between any two males. Once again, it is translated correctly and the ones coming up with this stuff are either willfully ignorant or outright liars.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:47 pm to blueboy
In Genesis 19, God sends two angels disguised as men to Sodom, where the men of Sodom threaten to rape them. God then destroys the city with fire and brimstone. I don’t think god is a fans of gay sex.
The left also says that the Bible doesn’t say abortion is bad .
The left also says that the Bible doesn’t say abortion is bad .
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:47 pm to blueboy
So now these cocksuckers are saying that it’s a RECENT alteration to translation? The Bible, in all its languages, has condemned homosexuality since the first texts were created. This is just the latest attempt at gaslighting people.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:49 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
An attempt to understand the meaning of the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE is not a "word game," Revelator. It is the only reasonable way to reach an understanding of the passages in question.
If the Bible where talking specifically about a man having sex with an adolescent male or about rape, it would say so. But that not what it says and again, the Bible consistently forbids homosexual activities between men and men, and women and women.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:49 pm to L.A.
Well said, LA.
quote:Well, there was the male prostitution at the temples of a number of contemporary religions, and SOME scholars interpret the Leviticus passage as a reference to making use of those prostitutes. This theory is mentioned in passing in one of the articles that I linked above.
The problem with that is that the Near Eastern culture in which the Hebrew Bible (OT) was written was not familiar with homosexuality as an orientation or a lifestyle. That’s not to say it didn’t exist; it is to say that no one in that culture was living an "out” lifestyle.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:52 pm to The Maj
quote:EOT
Homosexuals want their sin condoned and no matter how much they attempt to word salad it, it is a sin period…
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:52 pm to Gavin Elster
regarding context and translation, i came across a vid discussing the idea of 6th day humams with Adam being special and placed in the garden. i cant say either way on that, but wile looking in my Bibles, on the 5th day God created great dragons (LSV), sea monsters (NRSV), and whales (KJV). Just included as an example of a word being translated 3 different ways.
im not well studied, but have recently bought multiple Bibles in case everything becomes digital in the near future and can be fricked with like digital movies (that can be changed). Think TD needs a Bible board for deep dives.
im not well studied, but have recently bought multiple Bibles in case everything becomes digital in the near future and can be fricked with like digital movies (that can be changed). Think TD needs a Bible board for deep dives.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:53 pm to Revelator
quote:The passages in Leviticus are part of the so-called "Holiness Code," which was intended to distinguish the Israelites from the surrounding peoples ... along with things like odd clothing, dietary restrictions and circumcision. It seems odd that one (and only one) element of the Holiness Codes should continue into Christianity.quote:What you are mentioning was commanded specifically to the Jews for a particular time for a particular reason
Does they Bible ever say anything positive about wearing mixed fabrics?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:53 pm to blueboy
I’m sure it has already been said, but arsenokoitai is a mashed up word created by Paul. Literally translated, it means “man bedder”. He also condemned male-male and female-female sexual relationships without using the actual word itself. What we would translate as sexual immorality or fornication is a catch all term.
In regards to Jesus, it’s an argument from silence. Jesus wouldn’t have needed to speak about it since it was already condemned by Jewish culture in the day. Jesus did, however, hold up the only proper sexual relationship as a heterosexual, monogamous marriage for life.
Besides if Jesus is God, as the New Testament makes plain, then he did condemn homosexuality when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and also when He gave the law to Moses.
In regards to Jesus, it’s an argument from silence. Jesus wouldn’t have needed to speak about it since it was already condemned by Jewish culture in the day. Jesus did, however, hold up the only proper sexual relationship as a heterosexual, monogamous marriage for life.
Besides if Jesus is God, as the New Testament makes plain, then he did condemn homosexuality when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and also when He gave the law to Moses.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:55 pm to UGATiger26
quote:No. I don't care one way or the other what Christians "endorse." I am just trying to decipher the text of their holy books.
You are arguing for the Christian endorsement of homosexual behavior
quote:AGAIN, I would be VERY interested in reading whatever passages from the catechism you believe to apply.
what a fraud you’ve exposed yourself to be in this thread.
I am just not interested in playing a fruitless game of hide-and-seek with you.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:58 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I am just not interested in playing a fruitless game of hide-and-seek with you
That’s ironic.
Keep hiding Hank.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:58 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Near Eastern?
Well, there was the male prostitution at the temples of a number of contemporary religions,
quote:I've got $20 that says the scholars are Christian, not Jewish. Am I right?
and SOME scholars interpret the Leviticus passage as a reference to making use of those prostitutes.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:59 pm to AggieHank86
Here is Hank doing it again...
Defending kids in front of drag queens. Yet will tell you he really isn't.
Now he is doing it with this topic. He will then claim he isn't defending it again .
Defending kids in front of drag queens. Yet will tell you he really isn't.
Now he is doing it with this topic. He will then claim he isn't defending it again .
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:01 pm to blueboy
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This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 2:02 pm
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