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re: The average electric vehicle costs $56,437
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:43 am to Bearcat90
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:43 am to Bearcat90
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And as I stated correctly previously most are in California.
This is not accurate. Most are not in California, most are out of California, although California has a plurality.
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Your point is lame and redundant.
My point is that you can drive anywhere in the country utilizing the supercharger network in its current state, from Key West to Alaska
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Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:43 am to joshnorris14
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You think stopping for 30-40 minutes over a 7 hour drive is rare?
Yes. I stop to take a leak. That doesn't take 30 minutes. I push through and get the drive over with.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:43 am to stout
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That's not even counting the rise in your electric bill.
And it's not counting the fee you will pay every year in a tax in order to own that EV. If we get rid of gas and gas taxes then just how in the hell will roads be paid for? I laugh when I hear people bitching about having to pay a "fee" since they own an EV. Those are folks who don't see the big picture.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:46 am to Vandyrone
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You acting like this is normal for that trip is hilarious. And it’s certainly not scalable.
It may very well be scalable. That’s not to say it will happen, though. We just don’t know yet.
People in this thread keep acting like the technology that will make this possible already exists. Innovation CAN make it all possible. Again, that’s not to say it WILL happen.
What about highways that wireless charge your car as you drive on them?
What about batteries that charge in 1/10 the time?
What about modular batteries that are swapped out at a “gas station” as quickly and easily as filling a car is now?
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:47 am to joshnorris14
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You think stopping for 30-40 minutes over a 7 hour drive is rare?
Having to stop for 15-20 minutes every hour and a half is normal? Not when most of us can make a four hour trip without stopping once.
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It is scalable if Tesla continues to roll out stations like they have been
If every transaction is 15-20 minutes instead of 3-5? No, it’s not scalable.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:48 am to joshnorris14
You're being downvoted, but you're right. The most I've paid to charge my Tesla is $9. BTW I'm MAGA
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:48 am to Homesick Tiger
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And it's not counting the fee you will pay every year in a tax in order to own that EV. If we get rid of gas and gas taxes then just how in the hell will roads be paid for? I laugh when I hear people bitching about having to pay a "fee" since they own an EV. Those are folks who don't see the big picture.
This is an excellent, and often overlooked, point. People thinking they're getting over by not having to buy gas are being woefully optimistic.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:04 am to Vandyrone
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Vandyrone
A 9 hour trip took me 10.5 hours. It's not some great hurdle to take an EV long distance. It's certainly not ideal, and I would absolutely drive my ICE if given the choice, but it's not something that is THAT burdensome.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:05 am to joshnorris14
Now do it towing a boat.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:12 am to joshnorris14
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It's certainly not ideal, and I would absolutely drive my ICE if given the choice, but it's not something that is THAT burdensome.
This is clearly where you’ve set your expectations and that’s totally fine. For the vast majority of Americans, this solution is a significant step downwards in terms of cost, time and convenience.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:16 am to joshnorris14
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My point is that you can drive anywhere in the country utilizing the supercharger network in its current state, from Key West to Alaska
Except if you are trying to drive through West Virginia, there are only 3 superchargers in the state and one of them is just outside of the Pittsburgh metro area.
This push to EV's is really punishing the folks that live in rural areas. But what do coastal elites care about them anyway?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:28 am to Ag Zwin
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What about highways that wireless charge your car as you drive on them?
I remember seeing a program about this years ago, thought it was an interesting approach and I know they are actively working on this technology in some midwestern states that have long distances between charging stations.
Battery technology has and always will be the big hurdle for electric cars. Solid state and Graphene batteries, that are currently being developed, once scaled and proven will probably be the thing that unlocks the real potential for electric cars. Think something like 300+ miles per charge and a 5-10 minute charging time from a battery that weighs less than half of current Lithium Ion batteries. Once that that happens it'll create a proposition that effectively replaces ICE. That said, development takes time and there's no guarantee that costs will be low enough for mass adoption. Then there's the power grid issue...
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:33 am to RolltidePA
Battery replacement and recycling will also be a huge hurdle in the not to distant future. Will existing batteries be obsolete rendering the entire car useless after its lifespan?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:42 am to joshnorris14
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You think stopping for 30-40 minutes over a 7 hour drive is rare?
who the hell stops every 30-40 minutes on a trip?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:46 am to Ricardo
Lol, you won't own a boat in the new world you silly goose.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:47 am to bayoudude
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Battery replacement and recycling will also be a huge hurdle in the not to distant future. Will existing batteries be obsolete rendering the entire car useless after its lifespan?
It already is. They contain massive amounts of non-recyclable, highly-toxic, heavy metals. Physical waste created by the batteries is nearly a crime. Tesla is one of the few that fully recycles their batteries.
And absolutely yes; current batteries that are obsolete will render a car useless. How else will they get you to buy a new car?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:04 am to stout
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You think stopping for 30-40 minutes over a 7 hour drive is rare?
Yes. I stop to take a leak. That doesn't take 30 minutes. I push through and get the drive over with.
I drive to Orlando from Atlanta on average once per month. I sometimes stop to pee or just get a drink, but honestly... I drive until I need gas. In my wife's van, we don't need to stop for gas.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:07 am to carhartt
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Or the increase in your car insurance cost. Cause there’s no way in hell my wife and I would get rid of our vehicles and solely rely on an electric vehicle for our primary car.
This doesn’t receive enough attention, premiums are higher because EVs are expensive to repair making insurance premiums higher than ICE vehicles.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:21 am to Vandyrone
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For the vast majority of Americans, this solution is a significant step downwards in terms of cost, time and convenience.
If you're taking a long trip, sure (Although costs will be cheaper).
The other 98% of your year? It's more convenient to have an EV for many people.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 11:24 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Lol, you won't own a boat in the new world you silly goose.
I think the end game is only the elite, elite will be able to own automobiles (EV or not). The masses will use public transportation. That is the end game goal. It's why we've heard the Bidumb admin. pump up building more railways.
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