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re: Texas GOP rejects Log Cabin Republicans
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I don't think we should, but those topics should be discussed individually instead of being lumped together with everything else that has changed over time.
We also had centuries of slavery, no rights for women, and no internet. Should we go back to those days as well?
Some things change for the better and some for the worse.
quote:Our bedrock principles used to be that our rights come from almighty God, not from man, and so does the notion of what constitutes marriage, which has been bastardized under the guise of tolerance and inclusivity.
Societies evolve, our bedrock principals should not. The argument is, what are our bedrock principals, and more specifically, what are not?
I would argue who screws who isn't a bedrock principal on which our nation was founded.
I'm fine with notion that the government doesn't outlaw homosexual practice (though I'd prefer that it did), but I don't think it should be promoting it nor protecting it.
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We also had centuries of no rights for women. Should we go back to those days as well?
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:18 pm to FooManChoo
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If it’s a violation of God’s moral law, it’s a moral issue. The location of where it happens doesn’t make it better.
Gods not real, therefore it isn’t a morality issue. Dumbass.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:There's no way to make a perfect utopian society and that's not what I'm going for.
Having freedom and individual liberties means that people will make mistakes and society will suffer from it. That's the cost of having that freedom. I'd rather that then someone forcing restrictions like this on people in an attempt to make a perfect utopian society.
I believe all nations have the obligation to submit themselves to the lordship of Jesus Christ, who is King of kings and Lord of lords, and that all nations should seek to glorify Him through how they govern.
In this particular case, I believe that the freedom that exists is the freedom for a man and a woman to engage in a consensual marriage contract and that they should stay in that marriage unless one deserts the other or commits adultery. If people knew they couldn't get out of marriage so easily, perhaps they would take their vows more seriously and work harder to have a functional relationship that supports one another and provides the best opportunity for success for any children that come as the result of that union.
You can justify just about anything under the auspice of liberty and freedom but that doesn't necessarily mean that such things are ultimately good, nor should they be supported by society at large, especially through legislation.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Statistically, it's still better for children to grow up with fighting parents who stay together than for them to have the instability of separated parents and households.
But, what if that environment isn't loving and caring? There are many times when if the choice is between divorce or a wrecked household, divorce is probably best for both spouses AND the child.
There are outliers to everything, but we shouldn't legislate based on the exception.
quote:That's quite a blanket statement that goes against reality. We do this very thing all the time.
Outlawing / banning things doesn't allow for the gray world that we all live in.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:23 pm to Esquire
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Link? I doubt Navient is going to re-open my accounts and send all my payments back.
I apologize , I was wrong.
I got you mixed up with someone else.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:24 pm to Muleriderhog
quote:If God wasn't real, nothing could really be a morality issue because morality would be strictly that which exists within the minds of the individual, not having any objective bearing on anything or anyone else. All laws would be completely arbitrary at their core.
Gods not real, therefore it isn’t a morality issue. Dumbass.
Also, you'd have no basis for truth and meaning, which would mean that you'd have no reason to argue about it.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:31 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm fine with notion that the government doesn't outlaw homosexual practice (though I'd prefer that it did), but I don't think it should be promoting it nor protecting it.
I think the government should get completely out of the marriage business. Gay, straight, whatever.
If two consenting adults want to enter into a contract to share certain things or grant certain things, by all means, they should be allowed to do, and that contract should spell out what happens when one or both parties decides they no longer want to be bound by it.
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Our bedrock principles used to be that our rights come from almighty God, not from man, and so does the notion of what constitutes marriage, which has been bastardized under the guise of tolerance and inclusivity.
Some religions believe God is fine with gay marriage. So, what then?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:32 pm to FooManChoo
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Statistically, it's still better for children to grow up with fighting parents who stay together than for them to have the instability of separated parents and households.
What statistics, exactly?
A child that grows up in a loving, nuturing household is best. Sometimes, that means spending time in two loving, nuturing, single parent households, instead of a toxic double parent household.
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That's quite a blanket statement that goes against reality. We do this very thing all the time.
Well sure. I'm against most of those as well.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:33 pm to Muleriderhog
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Gods not real, therefore it isn’t a morality issue. Dumbass
The main reason the Republican party was formed was based on the Imorality of slavery.
Were they dumbasses too?
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:36 pm to rooster108bm
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The main reason the Republican party was formed was based on the Imorality of slavery. Were they dumbasses too?
Did you really just compare owning black people and forcing them to do hard physical labor for no pay to two consenting adults having sex?
What in the frick is wrong with you?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:38 pm to Muleriderhog
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Did you really just compare owning black people and forcing them to do hard physical labor for no pay to two consenting adults having sex?
What in the bastard is wrong with you?
No you dumb duck. You said morality doesn't matter. Morality was the driving force for anti slavery.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:40 pm to rooster108bm
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The main reason the Republican party was formed was based on the Imorality of slavery. Were they dumbasses too?
I didn’t say morality doesn’t matter, I said Gay marriage isn’t a morality issue. Don’t get mad after you get called out for comparing gay marriage to slavery.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:41 pm to Muleriderhog
quote:
said Gay marriage isn’t a morality issue
Are you frick in stupid?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:13 pm to FooManChoo
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I believe all nations have the obligation to submit themselves to the lordship of Jesus Christ, who is King of kings and Lord of lords, and that all nations should seek to glorify Him through how they govern.
What’s the success rate of theocracies?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:21 pm to FooManChoo
But you do realize that prohibiting people from getting divorces won’t keep them together and raising their children together. All it will do is keep them from getting remarried.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I'm fine with that.
I think the government should get completely out of the marriage business. Gay, straight, whatever.
quote:I'm also fine with that. What I'm not fine with is the government calling this arrangement between two men or two women "marriage".
If two consenting adults want to enter into a contract to share certain things or grant certain things, by all means, they should be allowed to do, and that contract should spell out what happens when one or both parties decides they no longer want to be bound by it.
quote:They should plead their case as to why their position should be accepted.
Some religions believe God is fine with gay marriage. So, what then?
I believe all other religions (as well as atheistic materialism or even dualism) are self defeating systems and therefore should be rejected, but I'm willing to have that discussion.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:59 pm to Dale51
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So getting drunk is just like molesting a child? Got it.
*weird*
You responded to me but your quotes were from another person's post.
But I don't think they were making the point you took from their post, although I see how you could do so.
Anyway, I'm not them.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 1:29 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I couldn't find any stats on "toxic" marriages being better than divorce. From what I found, whatever qualifies as "toxic" (constant fighting and strife?) seems to be worse than divorce on children, but I suppose definitions really do matter.
What statistics, exactly?
A child that grows up in a loving, nuturing household is best. Sometimes, that means spending time in two loving, nuturing, single parent households, instead of a toxic double parent household.
What I was saying is that all people fight. All marriages have disagreements and children will see their parents fight. Having fights and arguments isn't sufficient justification for divorce and the stats on divorce being bad for kids seems to to show that very thing.
While it might be better overall for parents to divorce than have a "toxic" marriage, I think counseling is the better option. There are behavioral issues that are hurting the relationship (as well as influencing the children negatively) that should be dealt with, and destroying a family through divorce doesn't seem like a viable alternative to trying to deal with the root cause of the problem.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 1:34 pm to Ag Zwin
"log cabin republicans"?
should be "walnut creek bathroom republicans"
should be "walnut creek bathroom republicans"
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