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Texas can’t deport illegals

Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:06 am
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4914 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:06 am
SB4 stopped again even after SCOTUS.

The 5th circuit dissolved their ruining which put the lower courts stay saying it’s illegal back in place

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Hours after the Supreme Court gave Texas officials permission to jail and prosecute migrants suspected of crossing the U.S. southern border without authorization, an appeals court late Tuesday blocked the state from enforcing its controversial immigration law known as SB4. In a late-night order, a 5th Circuit Court of Appeals panel dissolved a pause that it issued in early March to suspend a lower court ruling that found SB4 to be unconstitutional. The order reinstated a ruling from U.S. District Court Judge David Ezra, who concluded in late February that SB4 conflicted with federal immigration laws and the Constitution.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 7:09 am
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21749 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:09 am to
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A federal appeals court late Tuesday night put Texas’ controversial immigration law back on hold, hours after the Supreme Court had cleared the way for the state to begin enforcing the measure.

In a brief order, a three-judge panel at the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 to wipe away a previous ruling from a different panel that had temporarily put the law, which would allow state officials to arrest and detain people they suspect of entering the country illegally, into effect.

The panel of judges that issued Tuesday night’s order is already set to hear arguments Wednesday morning on Texas’ request to put the law, Senate Bill 4, back into effect pending the state’s appeal of a federal judge’s block on the law.

One member – Circuit Judge Andrew Oldham – publicly dissented, saying he would let the law remain in effect for now.

“I would leave that stay in place pending tomorrow’s oral argument on the question,” he wrote.

Regardless of how the 5th Circuit acts following Wednesday’s arguments, the appeals court will still hold arguments next month over whether the law is unconstitutional and should be blocked indefinitely.

The legal jockeying over SB 4 had made its way all the way to the Supreme Court, which earlier Tuesday cleared the way for the measure to go into effect after the justices rejected emergency appeals from the Biden administration and others. The decision had handed a significant – yet temporary – win to Texas, which has been battling the Biden administration over immigration policy.

Hours later, the appeals court scheduled oral arguments over whether to block the law while it considers the legal challenges to it. The court set Wednesday’s virtual oral arguments for 11 a.m. ET.

fricking bullshite. Someone explain to me, why a State LEO is not allowed to arrest someone for breaking the law? There shouldn't need to be a SB4. They should just arrest people for breaking the laws already on the books....the Fed can't just say ignore laws. That's not how it works (not how its suppose to work anyways)
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62741 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:13 am to
I thought the Texas law of handling illegals mirrors the Federal law ( which isn't being enforced)
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51501 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:17 am to
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I thought the Texas law of handling illegals mirrors the Federal law ( which isn't being enforced)


If I understand it correctly, the federal government's law means it's the federal government's job to prosecute it. As they were not prosecuting illegals, any arrests Texas (or any other state) made solely for someone being here illegally resulted in that person (or persons) simply being released by the feds.

If so, this being a state law allows Texas to enforce/prosecute it independently of the federal government.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15675 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:19 am to
Could this be what finally triggers a convention of the states?
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9572 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:23 am to
I wish. But that will never, ever happen.

Too many states are compromised (like your state of Georgia) to do a damn thing. You'd never get more than 10 states.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422003 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:25 am to
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I thought the Texas law of handling illegals mirrors the Federal law ( which isn't being enforced)


That is the issue. States are granted broad powers that aren't delegated to the feds. Immigration is a specific area where the feds have basically full jurisdiction. The doctrine of Preemption means states cannot make "immigration laws".

This was discussed in great detail in Arizona v. US. Here is a snippet from the Wikipedia summary of the USSC ruling:

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Kennedy's opinion embraced an expansive view of the United States Government's authority to regulate immigration and aliens, describing it as "broad" and "undoubted". That authority derived from the legislative power of Congress to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization", enumerated in the Constitution,[41] as well as the longstanding interpretation of federal sovereignty in areas pertaining to the control and conduct of relations with foreign nations.[42] In this context, federal discretion as to whether or how immigration laws are enforced is an important component of Congressional authority. At the same time, Justice Kennedy's opinion acknowledged the serious concerns experienced by Arizona citizens and officials in dealing with illegal immigration, noting that signs along highways south of Phoenix, Arizona, discourage travel by the public because of dangerous smuggling activities.

The majority opinion analyzed the four provisions in question within the framework of preemption, derived from the Supremacy Clause, requiring federal law to prevail when state and federal laws conflict. The Court held that "the Federal Government has occupied the field of alien registration" and so all state action and "even complementary state regulation is impermissible."[43] Therefore, the registration provisions of Section 3 were preempted by federal law. In contrast to Section 3, the criminal provisions of Section 5 had no direct counterpart under federal law, which led the Court to apply the "ordinary principles of preemption" rather than the doctrine of field preemption. Under those principles, Section 5 stood as an obstacle to the objectives of Congress of not imposing "criminal penalties on aliens who seek or engage in unauthorized employment". Therefore, Section 5 was also preempted by federal law.

Section 6 of SB 1070 was also found to be preempted by federal law on the basis that it created an "obstacle to the full purposes and objectives of Congress". The Court noted that it is not generally a crime for a removable alien to be present in the United States and that Section 6 would give state officers "even greater authority to arrest aliens on the basis of possible removability than Congress has given to trained federal immigration officers." Furthermore, the removal process is "entrusted to the discretion of the Federal Government."

The majority upheld Section 2 but did so by reading it in a more restrictive manner. The provisions at issue required Arizona officers to make a "reasonable attempt" to determine the immigration status of any person stopped, detained, or arrested on a legitimate basis if "reasonable suspicion" existed that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States.[44] Additionally, any arrestee's immigration status would have to have been determined before they could be released.[44] Status checks would have been made through Immigration and Customs Enforcement and their databases. Listing several examples, Justice Kennedy wrote that Section 2(B) "likely would survive preemption" if it is interpreted to require only state officers to conduct a status check "during the course of an authorized, lawful detention or after a detainee has been released." Underlining the cautious approach that the majority took to Section 2(B) were Justice Kennedy's final words on the section: "This opinion does not foreclose other preemption and constitutional challenges to the law as interpreted and applied after it goes into effect."
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14351 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:26 am to
frick the lower court. Arrest and remove. Type of removal is at their discretion.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
14780 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:28 am to
Reason #1827472827 to return to the Articles of Confederation
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23160 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:28 am to
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That authority derived from the legislative power of Congress to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization",


Kennedy was always retarded.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10957 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:33 am to
This is not a naturalization or immigration issue - it's an invasion.

Texas has the right, the authority, and the constitutional mandate to protect itself. The federal government has the obligation as well and is derelict in that, giving Texas even more latitude here.

It's an invasion.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98584 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:33 am to
Posted by Luckyduck
Member since Feb 2024
128 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:34 am to
Does it say anything about not being able to shooting them?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27067 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:36 am to
Ignore it and move forward...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422003 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:42 am to
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told ya


A lot of fog is created by the echo chamber content creators about these injunctions and the procedures used. They intentionally confuse people to think the USSC made rulings on the substantive legal challenges.

Pointing this out makes a person a liberalfag, though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422003 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:43 am to
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Ignore it and move forward...

Texas could theoretically continue to arrest/detain the illegal immigrants, but they are going to have difficulty deporting them. Deportation is an international system that requires 2 countries to work out procedures. Texas is not a country, and no other country is going to work with them on this issue.
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
5918 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:46 am to
Mexico also says it won't take them.

Who can blame them? When the trash is taken-out, no one wants it back.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57266 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:47 am to
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but they are going to have difficulty deporting them.


Depends on how they are “deported”
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57266 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:48 am to
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Mexico also says it won't take them.


Considering many aren’t even Mexican in the first place…
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
5918 posts
Posted on 3/20/24 at 7:49 am to
I have not read a report from any other country on the matter. Only Mexico boldly stated it did not want any of its citizens back.
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