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re: Texans Froze To Death Because Biden Admin Ordered ERCOT To Throttle Energy Output By Forci
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:26 am to Vcvenus
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:26 am to Vcvenus
Why should they even have to ask permission?
Notice how all the language has changed over the last ten or fifteen years to “emissions”. The idea that coal plants are emitting actual pollutants is quaint. They changed the laws to mere emissions so that they could classify carbon dioxide as a pollutants. The problems with coal plants causing things like acid rain was solved decades ago. Now it’s all about carbons which do no one any harm except in the fevered imaginations of the “muh climate change” idiots.
Notice how all the language has changed over the last ten or fifteen years to “emissions”. The idea that coal plants are emitting actual pollutants is quaint. They changed the laws to mere emissions so that they could classify carbon dioxide as a pollutants. The problems with coal plants causing things like acid rain was solved decades ago. Now it’s all about carbons which do no one any harm except in the fevered imaginations of the “muh climate change” idiots.
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Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:33 am to Ailsa
They knew this, it's why aoc and and other climate nuts went full steam ahead, create the narrative so no one cares when the real story comes out.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:36 am to jimmy the leg
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Another reason Cruz's arse should have been in Texas or DC fighting the order
I won’t assume that he knew, but I agree that if he knew...then why wasn’t he fighting it?
If he didn’t know, why didn’t he know?
It seems this is the exact scenario in which you call your senators and congresspeople.
I’m talking about Texas authorities calling them, not constituents.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:42 am to Vcvenus
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Repeat a lie often enough...
You focus on a limited portion that seems to support your view. In short, you are framing a post to support a false narrative. frick off troll.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:56 am to Cossatotjoe
So the DOE responds to Texas at 8pm on Sunday? That's a little late for any preparations to ramp up production.
We had already lost power for 7 hrs on Sunday by the time DOE sends this out.
This ridiculous and the DOE was sabotaging TX. I agree with many here that Abbott should've just sent the order to ramp up production.
We had already lost power for 7 hrs on Sunday by the time DOE sends this out.
This ridiculous and the DOE was sabotaging TX. I agree with many here that Abbott should've just sent the order to ramp up production.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:57 am to Ailsa
Ask for forgiveness, not permission.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:08 am to Ailsa
I don’t see where in the letter that DOE ordered ERCIT to throttle energy output. My read is that the order allowed power generation above emission limits but only for a specified period and if it was to add capacity due to the emergency. I think maybe the $1,500 MWhr requirement was a way to self regulate the added capacity to ensure it would only be done due to the emergency. That’s just speculation on my part though.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:12 am to jp4lsu
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So the DOE responds to Texas at 8pm on Sunday? That's a little late for any preparations to ramp up production.
We had already lost power for 7 hrs on Sunday by the time DOE sends this out.
This ridiculous and the DOE was sabotaging TX. I agree with many here that Abbott should've just sent the order to ramp up production.
It’s not that easy. Those are private companies running those plants. And it’s those private companies who will get hit with millions upon millions in ruinous fines and penalties by the feds if they ignore federal regulations without permission. Abbot could order them to step up production all he wanted, but without federal permission, they weren’t going to do anything.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 10:13 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:13 am to jp4lsu
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So the DOE responds to Texas at 8pm on Sunday? That's a little late for any preparations to ramp up production. We had already lost power for 7 hrs on Sunday by the time DOE sends this out. This ridiculous and the DOE was sabotaging TX. I agree with many here that Abbott should've just sent the order to ramp up production.
I am not familiar with the timeline. That certainly would make upping production tough to do if what you posted is true.
An example for the NOLA trolls:
Dear New Orleans, we suggest that you open the Bonne Carrie Spillway to alleviate flooding concerns. However, prior to doing this, we demand that every man hole cover in the city be replaced by solar panels. You can even purchase these panels from Soylindra for not less than one million dollars each. Failure to comply with these demands could result in fines from the DoE. Good luck!
PS - the breech in the levee currently flooding the city due to the spillway not being opened yesterday is NOT our fault. It is our understanding that Steve Scalise is currently holed up on some high ground on the Northshore. You can check on his “staycation” during this trade by by tuning into XiNN.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:15 am to antibarner
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If I am Governor of Texas I tell them Go To Hell, go on statewide TV let them know all about this, and do what I have to do.
It’s not that simple. A lot of power generating plants get their licensure from federal agencies. They would be fined out of existence and have their operating licenses pulled. Utilities are not going to bank their business on “hoping” the federal government and Texas can settle. Especially in today’s political climate.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:15 am to CajunTiger92
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I don’t see where in the letter that DOE ordered ERCIT to throttle energy output. My read is that the order allowed power generation above emission limits but only for a specified period and if it was to add capacity due to the emergency. I think maybe the $1,500 MWhr requirement was a way to self regulate the added capacity to ensure it would only be done due to the emergency. That’s just speculation on my part though.
Output IS throttled as a matter of course to meet emission standards. Output is below what it it could be every single day because of federal standards. They were asking the feds for permission to open the throttles.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:19 am to Cossatotjoe
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It’s not that easy. Those are private companies running those plants. And it’s those private companies who will get hit with millions upon millions in ruinous fines and penalties by the feds if they ignore federal regulations without permission. Abbot could order them to step up production all he wanted, but without federal permission, they weren’t going to do anything.
I alluded to this earlier, albeit through a question as I am not as familiar with the machinations of the DoE.
In short, it seems as though the DoE did just enough to provide cover for their frick job. The MSM gets to paint Abbot et al. in a negative light, frick over the citizens of Texas, and have their actions portrayed positively in the spin cycle. Lastly, trolls will invade social media putting out the bullshite narrative in an attempt to overwhelm any review of the situation as it involves free thought and critical thinking (see the troll bot I called out in the posts above).
The commie tsunami...it is real.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:24 am to jimmy the leg
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In short, it seems as though the DoE did just enough to provide cover for their frick job. The MSM gets to paint Abbot et al. in a negative light, frick over the citizens of Texas, and have their actions portrayed positively in the spin cycle. Lastly, trolls will invade social media putting out the bullshite narrative in an attempt to overwhelm any review of the situation as it involves free thought and critical thinking (see the troll bot I called out in the posts above).
Yes. You can see the headlines. Texas throws open the valves on coal and gas plants and throttles up the turbines. Feds fine them for exceeding emissions standards, Texas gets drug through the coals in national media. Utilities get fined out the bejesus and ask for relief. Texas has to foot the bill.
If they don’t, with their deregulated market, energy companies pass the cost onto consumers with ungodly high bills.
Don’t think for one moment this wasn’t orchestrated in Washington.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:02 am to billjamin
This is what everyone should expect from their governor, Demorats and Republicans.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:05 am to Ace Midnight
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Here's where I disagree - Abbott should have ramped up production and then, politely, asked for forgiveness afterwards.
Yeah but wouldn’t any penalties/fines be issued to the companies, not the Texas govt?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:07 am to brass2mouth
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Yeah but wouldn’t any penalties/fines be issued to the companies, not the Texas govt?
He should have issued a specific emergency declaration and then guaranteed he would make them good if necessary.
And then just never paid. Either make the Feds sue ERCOT and Texas over emissions or tell them to pound sand.
(ETA: I mean, if governors supposedly have the power to make folks wear masks and hop in a circle to go shopping, then they ought to be able to mobilize their energy grid to respond to a weather event. How am I the crazy one here?)
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 11:09 am
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:24 am to jimmy the leg
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I am not familiar with the timeline. That certainly would make upping production tough to do if what you posted is true.
I believe it took the DoE about 8 hours to issue approval. My understanding was request was sent 2/14 at noonish and approved 2/14 at 8pm.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:29 am to billjamin
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I believe it took the DoE about 8 hours to issue approval. My understanding was request was sent 2/14 at noonish and approved 2/14 at 8pm.
And by then, it was too late. Rolling blackouts had already started because the grid was about to collapse. And then, the first area they blacked out was the Permian Basin. Less populated for sure, but that cut the power to the gas lines and their pumps (which as we discussed earlier are no longer run by reliable engines fueled by natural gas because of “muh emissions” but by electric motors). That cut gas supply to power generating plants when it was needed most and allowed gauges and pumping equipment to freeze.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 11:32 am to Ailsa
Fake news. Read the ERCOT request and compare it to what the DOE granted. Even The $1,500/MWh passage is a part of the ERCOT request. They were granted everything they asked for.
Also, the request and grant happened on the same day.
LINK to ERCOT request
Also, the request and grant happened on the same day.
LINK to ERCOT request
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