re: Tensions rise in Nevada-snipers,1st am zones,no fly zones used and in effect

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Such common sense is unusual on this board. Most of these posters are blinded with rage over the fact that a Democrat heads our government.

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I haven't seen one person say "This is Obama's doing".... You are a fricking hack, go dress up in your dog costume and suffocate yourself you piece of shite.

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This is not rocket science. Bundy knew what the law is. He has been repeatedly told what the law is in clear and unequivocal terms. He has repeatedly refused to follow the law. America has this terrific thing called the "rule of law," and Bundy thinks he is above the law. It’s not his property. It was never his property. The courts have told him repeatedly what his property rights are and what they are not. This is not an open issue. Bundy thinks he can use property that belongs to someone else without paying the owner the requisite fees. frick him. He's an ignorant TPOS who repeatedly and knowingly violates the law. Bundy continues to violate the law and has showed no interest in complying with the law despite numerous court orders over many years. Bundy has threatened to "do whatever it takes" to protect his property and has characterized the dispute as a "range war." All right, Bundy . . . you called down the thunder. Well now you've got it!

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I agree...in a national of laws, it does not matter that you do not agree with the law...it does matter that you comply. This is the double-edged sword of government.

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So this video alone has at least 12 SUVs and dozens of agents...

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I won't quibble with your characterization. I will simply note that the area in that video, is the area where the Bundys and their supporters are protesting and attempting to halt the transport of the cattle. That area is the hotspot.

The feds would have been incredibly foolish to have the contractors round up the cattle without some security. The Bundys have repeatedly violated the law and court orders.

A prudent person does not ignore the threats of a recalcitrant criminal who threatens to do whatever it takes to protect his property and threatens a range war.

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As a co-landowner, do you think Bundy's family owes you more than what he already gives you in taxes gained by him using what would otherwise be useless land?

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I'm not a co-landowner. You are not a co-landowner. Bundy is not a co-landowner. The federal government owns the land. The federal government charges a fee to use the land. Bundy decided to stop paying the fee.

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Personally I'm happy the land being used and income/business taxes that are being collected.

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Bundy's trespass on that parcel of land is not the only use for the land.

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Hell offer to sell him the land if we don't like the relationship but don't cut off our nose to spite our face.

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Do you have any idea how big this parcel of land is? Bundy refused to even pay the rent. He's not going to buy it.

If John Smith owned this land and had a tenant who refused to pay the rent, refused to vacate the premises, and refused to allow the authorities to remove his former belongings, this would not be an issue at all.

I'm not sure why the fact that the landowner is the federal government causes so much confusion and anguish. This is a decades old problem caused by a man's refusal to pay rent, refusal to vacate the premises, and refusal to allow the authorities to remove what were his belongings.

People have issues with the way some people in the federal government act, and the federal government is the landowner in this situation. However, those are separate issues here. The federal government has proceeded along the proper path in this instance. Bundy is not a victim of the federal government. Bundy is a recalcitrant criminal who threatens violence.

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So the Feds learned NOTHING from Waco? Instead of attempting a more peaceful ends, they decide to go in military style?

I'm not debating whether Bundy is right or wrong, I'm debating the means in which the Federal Govt is operating.

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Yesterday was not the first day in this dispute.

I don't mean to call you out, but you seem to be uninformed about the history of this dispute.

The federal government has repeatedly asked Bundy to remove his cattle from land that is not his. Bundy has repeatedly refused to remove his cattle despite rulings from the court ordering him to do so.

Bundy has threatened violence. Bundy has refused all attempts at a more peaceful end. The security are not there to remove or arrest the Bundys. They are there to protect the contractors who are removing the cattle and to stop interference with that removal.

This is not a standoff or hostage situation. This is a temporary situation while the contractors remove the cattle.

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I don't mean to call you out, but you seem to be uninformed about the history of this dispute.

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No, I know its been going on for a while

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Bundy has repeatedly refused to remove his cattle despite rulings from the court ordering him to do so.

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And the Koresh clan ignored rulings too... We know how that turned out

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They are there to protect the contractors who are removing the cattle and to stop interference with that removal.

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At how much a price? Only the Federal govt would say "We need a solution to a problem... Lets spend 3 times what is owed to make this right"

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Honestly, I wish the Feds would put this much effort and resources into defending the southern border as they're doing with this ranch.

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It all has to deal with the "vast discretion" over which laws are to be enforced.

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No, I know its been going on for a while

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No offense, but knowing that "its been going on for a while" does not seem like a very deep understanding of the full history.

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And the Koresh clan ignored rulings too... We know how that turned out

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That's a pretty shallow analysis. One similarity does not an analogy make. The clan was holed up with no apparent end or end game in sight. The alleged victims were hold up with the alleged perps, and the primary alleged perp seemed to have fundamental stability issues.

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At how much a price? Only the Federal govt would say "We need a solution to a problem... Lets spend 3 times what is owed to make this right"

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First, you are using the high end of a possible range. Second, law enforcement efforts usually cost more than the recovery in a particular case. Third, it would not have cost the feds anything if Bundy would have removed his cattle when asked or ordered.

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was holed up with no apparent end or end game in sight

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Koresh was wounded with not much medical care. The Gov't didn't want to wait and 90 citizens, 22 of them children, died as a result.

at the cost of only $3 million to taxpayers, to start with.