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re: Tensions rise in Nevada-snipers,1st am zones,no fly zones used and in effect
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:08 am to Navtiger1
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:08 am to Navtiger1
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The FEDs have owned the land since the three generations of the Bundy family started paying for the rights to use the land. The Family has never owned the land in question.
That's bullshite. The people own that land. The feds only exist because of our will. Perhaps we should vote them away and see if they uphold the law then. The gov't is only in existence because of laws written and voted on by the people. Maybe we should have a nationwide vote to settle the conflict. Hell, it'd be cheap to do American Idol style with cell phones. That'd be more sensible than showing up with a small f$%king army and daring a desperate pissed off rancher to do something.
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:10 am to son of arlo
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You don't own that "quite a bit of land." Stop paying taxes on it and you'll see who the real owner is.
Exactly. We simply rent it. And they can arbitrarily take it from you for the greater good if they choose to. We don't own shite here. That's the reality of it.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:35 am to SmackoverHawg
He really should have kept paying his grazing fees.
He position has been significantly weakened by his nonpayment of fees regardless of the other factors in this situation.
He position has been significantly weakened by his nonpayment of fees regardless of the other factors in this situation.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:38 am to GetCocky11
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He really should have kept paying his grazing fees
It's not about the money, it's political. He doesn't think the feds add any value to the land. He wants to pay it to the county but they won't accept it.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:45 am to GetCocky11
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He really should have kept paying his grazing fees. He position has been significantly weakened by his nonpayment of fees regardless of the other factors in this situation.
He's making a political stand. And the fed's are using excessive force or the threat of to suppress his objections.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:45 am to C
Has any article mentioned at what point the land became BLM controlled instead of state controlled? Or has it always been federal land?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 7:49 am to dante
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Or has it always been federal land
It's always been federal. The difference has been the feds actions on the land over time. As they've argued, BLM was supposed to help the ranchers with the fees collected but instead have been using them to force them out of business. And I think anyone who deals with federal permitting will attest this being standard SOP. The only part of the fed govt that I've encountered that has been helpful to my business activities has been OSAC while working overseas.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:03 am to goldennugget
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Even if they are right and his cattle are trespassing, doesn't mean they need 200 agents and snipers with their guns pointed at the ranchers.
Not siding with either group (I don't know enough about this story), but how many of those agents would be needed to seize the cattle? We're not talking Yorkies where one agent could carry two of them.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:05 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Or do you think the feds should have left David Koresh alone and ignored the child abuse in the compound
Not a federal crime. That's a state crime. And the McLennan County Sheriff's Office could have picked up Koresh any morning on his daily jog, had they had enough evidence to arrest him.
Which they never could get, because in any cult-type situation (such as Jeffs group), victims are conditioned not to speak out against the cult or face losing all contact with family and friends.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:07 am to Quidam65
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Not a federal crime. That's a state crime. And the McLennan County Sheriff's Office could have picked up Koresh any morning on his daily jog, had they had enough evidence to arrest him.
Which they never could get, because in any cult-type situation (such as Jeffs group), victims are conditioned not to speak out against the cult or face losing all contact with family and friends.
Spot fricking on
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:08 am to Scoop
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Why do Corps of Engineers Rangers have friggin' K-9 units?
In that part of the country, canines are quite useful in dealing with snakes and other vermin that could threaten the Ranger.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:09 am to Quidam65
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Not siding with either group (I don't know enough about this story), but how many of those agents would be needed to seize the cattle?
He doesn't know, of course, but because Barack Obama is in office he feels the urge to cry against government power.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:13 am to Rex
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He doesn't know, of course, but because Barack Obama is in office he feels the urge to cry against government power.
Good to see your back Pot...
Kinda like you whining and complaining about wars and deaths of American soldiers under Bush, but being completely silent under Obama?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:16 am to Alahunter
This is not rocket science. Bundy knew what the law is. He has been repeatedly told what the law is in clear and unequivocal terms. He has repeatedly refused to follow the law. America has this terrific thing called the "rule of law," and Bundy thinks he is above the law.
It’s not his property. It was never his property. The courts have told him repeatedly what his property rights are and what they are not. This is not an open issue. Bundy thinks he can use property that belongs to someone else without paying the owner the requisite fees.
frick him. He's an ignorant TPOS who repeatedly and knowingly violates the law.
Bundy continues to violate the law and has showed no interest in complying with the law despite numerous court orders over many years. Bundy has threatened to "do whatever it takes" to protect his property and has characterized the dispute as a "range war."
All right, Bundy . . . you called down the thunder. Well now you've got it!
It’s not his property. It was never his property. The courts have told him repeatedly what his property rights are and what they are not. This is not an open issue. Bundy thinks he can use property that belongs to someone else without paying the owner the requisite fees.
frick him. He's an ignorant TPOS who repeatedly and knowingly violates the law.
Bundy continues to violate the law and has showed no interest in complying with the law despite numerous court orders over many years. Bundy has threatened to "do whatever it takes" to protect his property and has characterized the dispute as a "range war."
All right, Bundy . . . you called down the thunder. Well now you've got it!
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 8:18 am
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:18 am to Salviati
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All right, Bundy . . . you called down the thunder. Well now you've got it!
LOL
Which requires 200 federal agents with sniper rifles, helos, armored vehicles, etc....????
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:21 am to Lsut81
Of course man. GIT SUM!!!
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:22 am to Salviati
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Bundy knew what the law is.
Bundy is standing up for what he thinks is an unjust law. He's not the first to do so in the history of America and we should thankful if he's not the last. Do we really want our taxes spent rounding up his cattle on land his family has been maintaining for over a century? why? Just to say we can?
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:31 am to C
quote:That's a number provided by the Bundys.
Which requires 200 federal agents with sniper rifles, helos, armored vehicles, etc....????
quote:Bundy is absolutely no different from a tenant who has failed to pay his rent. No difference at all. He knew the deal. He stopped paying the rent over 20 years ago.
Bundy is standing up for what he thinks is an unjust law. He's not the first to do so in the history of America and we should thankful if he's not the last. Do we really want our taxes spent rounding up his cattle on land his family has been maintaining for over a century? why? Just to say we can?
The legal issues have been resolved long ago.
He was evicted. He was asked to remove his cattle. He refused to remove his cattle. Now, the federal government is removing his cattle.
If he wanted to use land owned by someone else, he should have paid the rent required to use that land. And when he stopped having the right to use that land for his cattle, he should have removed his cattle from that land.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 8:37 am to Salviati
Such common sense is unusual on this board. Most of these posters are blinded with rage over the fact that a Democrat heads our government.
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