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Tell me, is my view on the draft really THAT crazy?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 5:11 pm
So for some reason some friends members and I decided to have a little "debate" about the draft...when I gave my opinion everyone looked at me like I was joking or something. Just for reference my friends is pretty average politically, some more conservative and some more liberal but all pretty close to the center.
For the sake of this argument let's assume that a draft has been deemed necessary for survival. I don't want to get into a debate about whether or not a draft should happen or not. This is all assuming a draft is in place.
Basically I think that, if there were a draft, the selection should not be random. Instead it should follow a set of stages (in order of priority):
1) People living off unemployment/ the "government tit" as you all like to say
2) People with no high school diploma / working unskilled minimum wage jobs
3) People with no college degree
4) People with no children
And for the record I think single women with no kids should be included. If they want to be equal to men in every single respect, then they have to be.
So tell me is this really THAT ridiculous? Is random selection really the only way a draft could be reasonably implemented?
For the sake of this argument let's assume that a draft has been deemed necessary for survival. I don't want to get into a debate about whether or not a draft should happen or not. This is all assuming a draft is in place.
Basically I think that, if there were a draft, the selection should not be random. Instead it should follow a set of stages (in order of priority):
1) People living off unemployment/ the "government tit" as you all like to say
2) People with no high school diploma / working unskilled minimum wage jobs
3) People with no college degree
4) People with no children
And for the record I think single women with no kids should be included. If they want to be equal to men in every single respect, then they have to be.
So tell me is this really THAT ridiculous? Is random selection really the only way a draft could be reasonably implemented?
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 5:13 pm to benhamin5555
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 5:14 pm to benhamin5555
If there is ever another draft, the situation will be so bad that everyone will be drafted regardless of the factors you propose.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 5:16 pm to benhamin5555
Not that I would want to be drafted, but people who know karate should be on top of the list.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 5:18 pm to benhamin5555
hmm, I wonder how well an army filled with the uneducated and unmotivated will fare against a motivated enemy?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 6:24 pm to benhamin5555
quote:
So for some reason some friends members and I decided to have a little "debate" about the draft...when I gave my opinion everyone looked at me like I was joking or something. Just for reference my friends is pretty average politically, some more conservative and some more liberal but all pretty close to the center.
For the sake of this argument let's assume that a draft has been deemed necessary for survival. I don't want to get into a debate about whether or not a draft should happen or not. This is all assuming a draft is in place.
Basically I think that, if there were a draft, the selection should not be random. Instead it should follow a set of stages (in order of priority):
1) People living off unemployment/ the "government tit" as you all like to say
2) People with no high school diploma / working unskilled minimum wage jobs
3) People with no college degree
4) People with no children
And for the record I think single women with no kids should be included. If they want to be equal to men in every single respect, then they have to be.
So tell me is this really THAT ridiculous? Is random selection really the only way a draft could be reasonably implemented?
No, and in fact, you'd want the opposite. You don't want the uneducated and ignorant fighting in modern combat.
In both the Army and Marines, there is a general trend in that, the closer you get to the line, the soldiers become gradually more intelligent and come from slightly wealthier backgrounds. Take a look at an in-depth study of the KIA and WIA from Iraq and Afghanistan some time. About 85% are white males, the vast majority of which are middle class...they only comprise about 32% percent of the military-aged population in the U.S. and about 58% of the military-aged males.
It is difficult enough to lead motivated and reasonably smart kids in environments like that.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 6:31 pm to benhamin5555
You gave a good model for what a draft should be.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 6:35 pm to benhamin5555
A military full of deadbeats. That should scare our enemies.
And as for your women idea. I'm pretty sure marriage rates would skyrocket while divorce rates plummet.
Women should have to register for the draft the same as men if they really want to be equal.
And as for your women idea. I'm pretty sure marriage rates would skyrocket while divorce rates plummet.
Women should have to register for the draft the same as men if they really want to be equal.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:03 pm to benhamin5555
It would be good to make those people productive and maybe instill discipline in them.
It would be a poorly effective army though
It would be a poorly effective army though
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:05 pm to benhamin5555
quote:
So for some reason some friends members and I decided to have a little "debate" about the draft...when I gave my opinion everyone looked at me like I was joking or something. Just for reference my friends is pretty average politically, some more conservative and some more liberal but all pretty close to the center. For the sake of this argument let's assume that a draft has been deemed necessary for survival. I don't want to get into a debate about whether or not a draft should happen or not. This is all assuming a draft is in place. Basically I think that, if there were a draft, the selection should not be random. Instead it should follow a set of stages (in order of priority): 1) People living off unemployment/ the "government tit" as you all like to say 2) People with no high school diploma / working unskilled minimum wage jobs 3) People with no college degree 4) People with no children And for the record I think single women with no kids should be included. If they want to be equal to men in every single respect, then they have to be. So tell me is this really THAT ridiculous? Is random selection really the only way a draft could be reasonably implemented?
That's how it worked during 'Nam, and it was the shittiest state of our armed forces (okay, Army) in US history.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:10 pm to benhamin5555
quote:I don't want to call you crazy but after reading this, I'm going to go ahead and call the argument crazy before I read the rest.
For the sake of this argument let's assume that a draft has been deemed necessary for survival.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:14 pm to Gmorgan4982
3 is a terrible idea. And I say that as someone who would benefit (since I have a college degree.)
However, there should never be a draft under any circumstances. If we can't get a sufficient number of volunteers in response to an existential threat, our society doesn't deserve to survive.
However, there should never be a draft under any circumstances. If we can't get a sufficient number of volunteers in response to an existential threat, our society doesn't deserve to survive.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:27 pm to TrueTiger
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hmm, I wonder how well an army filled with the uneducated and unmotivated will fare against a motivated enemy?
ask north Korea
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:30 pm to tigeraddict
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ask north Korea
I'd say "fight to the death or be shot" is a pretty damn good motivator.
Nevertheless, the Chinese did the bulk of the heavy lifting in that war anyway.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 7:39 pm to benhamin5555
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1) People living off unemployment/ the "government tit" as you all like to say
Already have a lazy work ethic and are probably in terrible shape.
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2) People with no high school diploma / working unskilled minimum wage jobs
You mean Mexicans?
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3) People with no college degree
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. I don't have a college degree but I do have a business which produces goods and generates tax dollars for the government. I guarantee I'm a lot more valuable to the economy that some punk fresh out of college with no real world experience.
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4) People with no children
Again has nothing to do with anything. I have no children but just like number 3 that does not render me invaluable to the economy.
The draft is mainly based on what it should be, youth. Since fighting is a young man's game. Things would have to be pretty bad for anyone over say 30 to have to worry about getting drafted.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 8:33 pm to benhamin5555
As others have pointed out if circumstances are so dire you want a draft initiated, but you then want the lowest form of people in society fighting for our country. Lazy, out of shape, uneducated people shouldering the burden of whether the U.S. will be changed forever.
I have a feeling you'd be drafted under your scenario.
I have a feeling you'd be drafted under your scenario.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 9:22 pm to TrueTiger
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hmm, I wonder how well an army filled with the uneducated and unmotivated will fare against a motivated enemy?
It worked pretty well for WWI. It would have been interesting to see what effect it may have had had they started the draft for it earlier.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:00 pm to benhamin5555
So when your future and freedom are at risk, you want the laziest and dumbest trying to protect us.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:15 pm to roygu
New iPads for everyone who makes it to the top of the enemy position!
Posted on 6/5/14 at 10:26 pm to constant cough
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You mean Mexicans?
You're a racist POS. Thanks for confirming.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 10:33 pm
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