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re: Tell me how the PRA doesnt apply to Trump
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Trump: Here, Mr Fed, take this gun it's loaded with 5 bullets out of 6 chambers and put it up to my temple and pull the trigger......I double dog dare you
Mr.Fed : OK......
Mr.Fed : OK......
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 9:34 am
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:34 am to Diseasefreeforall
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They've still got him under 18 U.S.C. 793(e).
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:35 am to KiwiHead
If you want any story that shows how much of his fastball that he's lost, look at this story and compare it to the intelligence apparatus trying to entrap him in 2016, which he navigated incredibly well. He was deft, intelligent, and forward-thinking to avoid the US, UK, Australian, etc. intel agencies. This documents scenario was a nothingburger situation that he handled about as stupidly as you could do.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
I honestly don’t care if Trump committed any “crimes” like obstruction. It’s bullshite, and the DOJ should have nothing to do with this.
However, Trump also knew they are relentless and will do anything they can to smear him, and should have acted in that regard. He appears to have been sloppy and irresponsible if some of the stuff accused is true. If.
However, Trump also knew they are relentless and will do anything they can to smear him, and should have acted in that regard. He appears to have been sloppy and irresponsible if some of the stuff accused is true. If.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
More I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Paul Manafort helped him navigate that. Once and since he has been in office he has routinely tripped over his dick in YUGE ways.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:57 am to TigerOnTheMountain
quote:manufactured tripe trouble, suitable for a third world banana republic level of corruption
I hope Trump has hired more competent representation than who he has in the past because if this is the extent of his defense he is in big trouble.
ANOTHER contrived cheap shot - they are scared to death of the truth and the truth that they are lowlife pursuing lowlife communist goals
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just because no former President has been as idiotic with his records as Trump doesn't mean there isn't legal overlap
And how do you know this? You realize no one has ever treated a former President like this and now the precedent has been set. If I was Joe or Hunter I wouldn’t be making plan after 2024 due to this childish vendetta.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
We are down to obstruction in reality. Doesn't this make obstruction moot? How can you obstruct what you have full authority to do?
It seems as if this is a moving boxes like all past President's with the massive amount of content.
Trump's lawyers didn't dig and find every document the DOJ demanded. It seems like a minor dispute.
They can't nab him on perjury when they had no authority to raid his home to begin with.
The Senior FBI agent in charge said that the raid of MAL was seriously flawed. The DOJ had no authority to demand anything. They also W/O Trump's lawyers present could have said they were looking for 47 documents and dropped the 48th in a box.
It seems as if this is a moving boxes like all past President's with the massive amount of content.
Trump's lawyers didn't dig and find every document the DOJ demanded. It seems like a minor dispute.
They can't nab him on perjury when they had no authority to raid his home to begin with.
The Senior FBI agent in charge said that the raid of MAL was seriously flawed. The DOJ had no authority to demand anything. They also W/O Trump's lawyers present could have said they were looking for 47 documents and dropped the 48th in a box.
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“Amy Berman Jackson, the judge presiding on that case, said a couple of very important things,” said Farrell. “That the president had an absolute, unreviewable right to take any records or documents that he wants when he leaves office. “
“No one can come back and second guess or double think or ask questions about what the president elects to take with him,” Farrell continued.
In her ruling, Jackson wrote that “the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: ‘although the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records . . . neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President’s disposal decision.’”
Farrell points out that this ruling has existed without challenge or question for ten years.
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 12:09 pm to cajunangelle
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We are down to obstruction in reality.
No there are more charges, like concealing documents and lying to federal officers.
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How can you obstruct what you have full authority to do?
He doesn't have the authority to conceal unclassified documents from federal investigators pursuant to a subpoena issued as part of an ongoing investigation.
He doesn't have the authority to lie to those federal investigators about declassified documents, either.
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They also W/O Trump's lawyers present could have said they were looking for 47 documents and dropped the 48th in a box.
Have you read the indictment? This is not what's alleged. They even have text messages from Trump employees about moving the documents around (ie, they knew about them).
Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:23 pm to cajunangelle
Correct
Posted on 6/11/23 at 3:26 pm to Strannix
Thanks former AG and Constitutional expert Strannix.
Y'all better temper your enthusiasm for the Trump case; otherwise it will be a tough fall. I feel sorry for the guy.
Y'all better temper your enthusiasm for the Trump case; otherwise it will be a tough fall. I feel sorry for the guy.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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specifically
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Patriots
Just so retarded.
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What people do I use? Cite specific instances.
The idiots you try to define as patriots of course. Sfp: use vagary, require speficity.
What a fricking clown show.
Jesus Christ.
Is there a single human in your life other than whatever woman has turned you into a coward that appreciate this new lunacy?
Eta: I don't mean to be so hard on people who could positively contribute to the advancement/stability of civilization. However, actively working against it to defend the indefensible and pad your retarded "gotcha" stats is a bridge too far.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This will go to the Supreme Court, its over.
The trial will most likely happen prior to this. If he loses at trial, the appeals will be heard while he's in jail.
scotus has already ruled on this. They will take it up very fast
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:nonsense - and the TDS narrative from the third world banana republic level of corruption that infests our government.
This documents scenario was a nothingburger situation that he handled about as stupidly as you could do.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Have you read the indictment? This is not what's alleged. They even have text messages from Trump employees about moving the documents around (ie, they knew about them).
Doesn't matter little Marxist. Even Ms AMy got it right because the SCOTUS has ruled many times on this.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:24 pm to Jjdoc
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Even Ms AMy got it right because the SCOTUS has ruled many times on this.
On concealing the documents of giving false statements to the feds?
You're confusing things b/c you read a tweet and don't understand what you're discussing.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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On concealing the documents of giving false statements to the feds?
He has zero obligation to even talk to them about it because HIS AUTHORITY is settled.
His people can move box after box after box. It's ok.. Because Trump owns those. It's NOT up to the FEDERAL Gov to say "We didn't allow that."
The case DIES with the fact that the SCOTUS has RULED he has the authority to even decide WHO can see them... CLEARANCE or not.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:30 pm to Jjdoc
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He has zero obligation to even talk to them about it because HIS AUTHORITY is settled.
His authority to what?
These charges can apply if all of those documents are declassified. The President cannot ignore a subpoena request (US v. Nixon), and Trump wasn't President when the alleged concealment/false statements crimes occurred.
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His people can move box after box after box. It's ok.. Because Trump owns those
Not when they are subpoenaed.
And he can't lie to investigators about them, either.
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The case DIES with the fact that the SCOTUS has RULED he has the authority to even decide WHO can see them... CLEARANCE or not.
How does the classification status even apply to the concealment or false statements charge?
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The President cannot ignore a subpoena request (US v. Nixon),
Aw shucks you mean Trump can't just "negotiate" with them to give them what he thinks they should get and hide the rest?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The case DIES with the fact that the SCOTUS has RULED he has the authority to even decide WHO can see them... CLEARANCE or not.
How does the classification status even apply to the concealment or false statements charge?
Again... Already settled law.
Presidential Records Act, not Espionage Act, controls a former president’s handling of his presidential records—classified or not. Former presidents can have their presidential records. No criminal component to PRA.
Therefore, it’s legally impossible to obstruct investigations into non-crimes.
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