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re: Tariffs I urge caution

Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42867 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:26 pm to
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They arent going to hire traditional workers, they're importing workers to fill new jobs.

We mfg whats efficient for us to mfg and offshore the rest.

Much mfg has already fled China, and theyre not coming here. Theyre going to Vietnam, Mexico, etc.


Well now you reference my other huge issue with the Gov which are H1-B's but thats for another discussion
Posted by tiger7166
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
2699 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:27 pm to
Tariffs off set the "human rights" costs that other countries ( China, and Mexico for example do not have. The period of time you are referring to didn't have minimum wages, unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, social security, OSHA and all of the federal regulatory agencies, product liability insurance, fire marshal and health department inspections, local business taxes and building codes, etc. All of these cost have to be built into US Made products and services. They do have the corrupt politician fees, but they are not as expensive as the US. Add these cost to any product or service sold in the US market and not just businesses located in it.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93158 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:28 pm to
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Tariffs are taxes on consumers. Nothing more.


How much more are we paying on daily used goods from tariffs?

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

quote:

Tariffs are taxes on consumers. Nothing more.



What are loss jobs then?


Welfare.

Free trade absolutist rather put people on welfare than pay a few dollars more on foreign imports.

They see no dignity in the jobs they destroy. They just want their cheap steel from China damn it.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

They arent going to hire traditional workers, they're importing workers to fill new jobs.


Fine, place tariffs on every migrant hired.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135438 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:29 pm to
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The idea that protective tariffs can restore America’s economic greatness, based on the interpretation that they fueled our growth in the 19th century
Gaslight much?
1) American greatness is a 20th century generation. Not 19th Century.
2) The structure and rationale of 19th Century tariffs was entirely different than those presently considered.
3) Tariffs being contemplated now are designed to increase US growth as well as tax revenue at a time we are running hideous deficits.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27537 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:29 pm to
Thanks Obama
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29856 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:29 pm to
Tariffs should always be a last resort.

Talk to American businesses and see what their gains are by outsourcing our work overseas. They're going to tell you A) corporate and payroll taxes and B) regulations.

Fix those two issues you saw most of the problem.

I'm not against tariffs poor countries that are purposefully manipulating currency or wages. But we are never going to be able to compete with China in India in the wage war.

So figure out what Americans can do better and more efficiently. And promote businesses going that direction.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
194475 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:30 pm to
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Without writing 6 paragraphs like yourself. Why not try something different for a change? It's obvious gov spending and Bidenomics are shite.
You will not find anything in my posting history my personal history scrub my social media my Twitter my ex my Facebook my Myspace the campaigns I've run
nothing I have ever said about economics indicates that I have any favoritism toward bidenomics or the way Democrats want to approach the economy

simply saying that tariffs are not the panacea that some Trump people believe they are is not pro-progressive Democrat

Why are y'all so afraid of history /facts

I mean a very real part of economics is math
and math is always going to be consistent

its just information for yall to digest
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42867 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:30 pm to
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Fine, place tariffs on every migrant hired.


Just jack up the H1-B minimums (salary) to be 150% over American Citizen worker.

Will fix this issue overnight.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:30 pm to
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quote:

Tariff what we make, don’t tariff what we don’t make.



Basically corporate welfare paid by consumers.


Or welfare by the tax payer.

Make your choice.
Posted by LSUBCILUVTHEM
The BIGBR
Member since Oct 2005
847 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:31 pm to
This has been posted here before and worth watching to understand Trump's economic plan and how it helps the USA
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
194475 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:32 pm to
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A realistic threat of a tariff serves essentially the same purpose as an actually implemented tariff.
yes and Trump is astute at exactly that kind of business dealings

that's my read on most of it


Posted by Tmo Sabe
GA
Member since Mar 2022
978 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:33 pm to
I would support high tariffs if they replaced the pillaging income tax.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

How much more are we paying on daily used goods from tariffs?



The U.S. Treasury took in 4.7 trillion in tax revenue.

But they are going to complain about 200 billion in tariffs being inflationary to their imported goods.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:35 pm to
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I would support high tariffs if they replaced the pillaging income tax.


This.

Income taxes are magnitudes more detrimental and inflationary in the current U.S. tax scheme.

And the same people that don't want consumption taxes on imports support the Fair Tax which is a consumption tax on everything.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88841 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:35 pm to
yeah we have been through this ad nauseum with IB A CHINAMAN. his chinese trinket import business took major hits during trump thus him being so mad.

trumps tariffs did not hurt me one iota and i am even willing to pay more for American jobs and to prevent dumping. other countries have tariffed us for ages.

i mean heck. trumps tariffs or these inflated prices for goods and services we are paying now? which was cheaper? TRUMPS.



Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
861 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:36 pm to
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Send the tariffs. You want to make money, do it IN AMERICA.


How do you explain to the American consumer that they're going to have to pay more for goods produced in America because of these tariffs?

The folks who lost these manufacturing jobs are being played big time, if they think that these tariffs are going to both bring back manufacturing jobs and help the economy.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116685 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:36 pm to
Yeah, Trump has no idea how economic policy works. That's why the economy in his first term was so bad.







Oh wait.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:37 pm to
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n my mentoring project


Savior complex level SFP.


Tariffs used sparsely to influence behavior are ok. Tariffs on too much will just lead to a tariff war.

Steel, drugs, and tech are areas where we may have to use some aggressive strategies.

Can’t be relying on enemies any longer IMO.
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