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re: Taliban has taken Kabul. Terrorist attack at Airport at least 12 marines confirmed killed
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:34 pm to WDE24
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:34 pm to WDE24
quote:One media outlet covering it today.
That’s literally from the media.
One.
Not the non-stop outrage that "suckers and losers" (a false story) got.
Sorry. Wrong.
3
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:35 pm to Centinel
quote:
My feelings were that Trump was a pompous arse. However Trump made decisions that proved he was worth a vote for President for another term.
Also Trump didn’t put any concrete plans out there save for building the wall and threatening companies who would move out of America. His Second Term Agenda was extremely specific, quite excellent, and save for two or three points I thought was very achievable. It’s a night and day difference between what Trump was running on and saying in 2016 vs 2020. There’s a reason why he added 13 million new voters.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:35 pm to Centinel
quote:Be Donald Trump, right?
Congrats. You are now deplatformed by Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft and Apple.
What is your next move?
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:36 pm to OMLandshark
Which machts nichts when you allow legal ballot harvesting in the name of "safety".
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:37 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:
BS. 90 percent of the PT board doesn't want equal voting rights.
No we just want people to show up to the voting booth with an ID to prove who they are. If you think minorities are too stupid to figure this out, you a white supremacist. frick you.
This post was edited on 8/15/21 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:37 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:I’ve seen criticism of Biden all over the media, including CNN. Sure, the media all too often carries water for Biden, but that hasn’t really been the case today. I’m sure it will revert, but there is no reason to say it is silent just to perpetuate a meme or narrative. It simply isn’t true.
One media outlet covering it today.
One.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:37 pm to shel311
Wonder how many of the woke crowd and tranny’s are humping it into the lion’s den right about now? God watch over those young baws in the 82nd!
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:37 pm to LegendInMyMind
I'll help.
Other senators who supported Biden at the time were taken aback by their young colleague’s “didactic performance,” the columnists wrote.
Nearly half a century later, Biden’s attitude toward the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan has been strikingly similar — even as events echo the frantic evacuation of Americans and those who helped them in South Vietnam.
Just as the Viet Cong captured city after city with momentum that surprised American war planners, Kabul came under siege this weekend after lightning-fast advances by insurgent Taliban fighters.
Images on Sunday of helicopters shuttling officials from the former U.S. Embassy complex to the city’s main airport recalled the panicked evacuation of Americans from Saigon and the long lines of Vietnamese hoping to find a way out.
Today’s questions about the fate of U.S. citizens, military and locals who have supported the effort as the U.S.-backed government collapses were also key issues in the final days before the fall of Saigon.
And Biden’s response has been remarkably consistent.
Then, as now, Biden was unmoved by arguments made by the military that more time and money could change the on-the-ground dynamics or at least delay the outcome. Then, as now, he has questioned the utility of continuing a conflict that he deems to be lost. And then, as now, he was willing to increase U.S. aid only as a way to provide security for a withdrawal.
On the other hand, Biden’s overall approach to military intervention has swung widely over the course of his long career in Washington. Biden didn’t support the first U.S. conflict with Iraq but did support the second one, only to later say he regretted that vote. He at times called for more troops in Afghanistan but later argued against adding them.
A decade ago, Biden suggested that a withdrawal from Afghanistan that left allies feeling betrayed was a reasonable outcome, drawing a comparison to the end of Vietnam.
In a private conversation with Richard Holbrooke, who was President Barack Obama’s special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Biden argued that the United States does not have an obligation to Afghans who trusted the United States, according to “Our Man,” a biography of Holbrooke by George Packer.
Other senators who supported Biden at the time were taken aback by their young colleague’s “didactic performance,” the columnists wrote.
Nearly half a century later, Biden’s attitude toward the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan has been strikingly similar — even as events echo the frantic evacuation of Americans and those who helped them in South Vietnam.
Just as the Viet Cong captured city after city with momentum that surprised American war planners, Kabul came under siege this weekend after lightning-fast advances by insurgent Taliban fighters.
Images on Sunday of helicopters shuttling officials from the former U.S. Embassy complex to the city’s main airport recalled the panicked evacuation of Americans from Saigon and the long lines of Vietnamese hoping to find a way out.
Today’s questions about the fate of U.S. citizens, military and locals who have supported the effort as the U.S.-backed government collapses were also key issues in the final days before the fall of Saigon.
And Biden’s response has been remarkably consistent.
Then, as now, Biden was unmoved by arguments made by the military that more time and money could change the on-the-ground dynamics or at least delay the outcome. Then, as now, he has questioned the utility of continuing a conflict that he deems to be lost. And then, as now, he was willing to increase U.S. aid only as a way to provide security for a withdrawal.
On the other hand, Biden’s overall approach to military intervention has swung widely over the course of his long career in Washington. Biden didn’t support the first U.S. conflict with Iraq but did support the second one, only to later say he regretted that vote. He at times called for more troops in Afghanistan but later argued against adding them.
A decade ago, Biden suggested that a withdrawal from Afghanistan that left allies feeling betrayed was a reasonable outcome, drawing a comparison to the end of Vietnam.
In a private conversation with Richard Holbrooke, who was President Barack Obama’s special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Biden argued that the United States does not have an obligation to Afghans who trusted the United States, according to “Our Man,” a biography of Holbrooke by George Packer.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:38 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
Be Donald Trump, right?
You mean the Donald Trump, former President of the United States, that was deplatformed, yet the current Taliban has a twitter presence?
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:38 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
#whatabout?
You LITERALLY just failed at doing one of those with your asinine flag nonsense. So it’s ok for you to do it, just not anybody else.
You are exactly like the people you voted for.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:38 pm to Wolfhound45
The news feeds have an abysmal lack of coverage, more SJW stuff, them pushing a narrative about a violent anti mask protest and a bunch of celebrity bullshite. I made the rounds, and its an indictment on the state of the media.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:39 pm to Lynyrd
“We don’t have to worry about that,” Biden told Holbrooke, according to the book. “We did it in Vietnam. Nixon and Kissinger got away with it,” he said, referring to President Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, who was secretary of state to Nixon and Ford.
In the same conversation, Biden also reportedly pushed back on the argument that America had a moral obligation to women in Afghanistan.
“I am not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of women’s rights!” Biden said, according the book’s account. “It just won’t work — that’s not what they’re there for.”
Biden took a similarly realpolitik view of Southeast Asia.
“I may be the most immoral son of a gun in this room,” Biden said at a Democratic caucus in early 1975 as he argued against aid to Cambodia, according to the Wilmington Morning News. “I’m getting sick and tired of hearing about morality, our moral obligation. There’s a point where you are incapable of meeting moral obligations that exist worldwide.”
In early 1975, Biden had initially agreed to go on a congressional fact-finding mission to South Vietnam.
The trip’s organizers wanted to make a case that additional U.S. aid would be helpful, and Biden was criticized by some conservative pundits for being too set in his views.
Biden, they complained, was clear that he wanted U.S. military aid ended no matter what he might see on the ground. They noted that he had said of the trip that he “can’t imagine what could change my mind, unless it were proof of Communist reprisals against South Vietnamese after a military collapse.” He quickly added: “I question that I would even then.” (The trip was canceled after a number of lawmakers begged off, according to news reports.)
Three weeks before the fall of Saigon, top Ford administration officials pleaded with Biden and other senators for more U.S. military aid, according to newspaper accounts.
In a closed-door briefing, top officials at the State and Defense departments told Biden and other senators on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the South Vietnamese army had “a chance” to defend Saigon and the Mekong Delta area with more U.S. military aid, the newspaper accounts said.
“I am convinced there is absolutely no chance,” Biden told reporters after the briefing, according to an article in the Memphis Commercial Appeal.
But Biden was willing to spend tax dollars on a narrowly tailored effort to extract Americans.
In the same conversation, Biden also reportedly pushed back on the argument that America had a moral obligation to women in Afghanistan.
“I am not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of women’s rights!” Biden said, according the book’s account. “It just won’t work — that’s not what they’re there for.”
Biden took a similarly realpolitik view of Southeast Asia.
“I may be the most immoral son of a gun in this room,” Biden said at a Democratic caucus in early 1975 as he argued against aid to Cambodia, according to the Wilmington Morning News. “I’m getting sick and tired of hearing about morality, our moral obligation. There’s a point where you are incapable of meeting moral obligations that exist worldwide.”
In early 1975, Biden had initially agreed to go on a congressional fact-finding mission to South Vietnam.
The trip’s organizers wanted to make a case that additional U.S. aid would be helpful, and Biden was criticized by some conservative pundits for being too set in his views.
Biden, they complained, was clear that he wanted U.S. military aid ended no matter what he might see on the ground. They noted that he had said of the trip that he “can’t imagine what could change my mind, unless it were proof of Communist reprisals against South Vietnamese after a military collapse.” He quickly added: “I question that I would even then.” (The trip was canceled after a number of lawmakers begged off, according to news reports.)
Three weeks before the fall of Saigon, top Ford administration officials pleaded with Biden and other senators for more U.S. military aid, according to newspaper accounts.
In a closed-door briefing, top officials at the State and Defense departments told Biden and other senators on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the South Vietnamese army had “a chance” to defend Saigon and the Mekong Delta area with more U.S. military aid, the newspaper accounts said.
“I am convinced there is absolutely no chance,” Biden told reporters after the briefing, according to an article in the Memphis Commercial Appeal.
But Biden was willing to spend tax dollars on a narrowly tailored effort to extract Americans.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:39 pm to WDE24
quote:
I’ve seen criticism of Biden all over the media, including CNN. Sure, the media all too often carries water for Biden, but that hasn’t really been the case today. I’m sure it will revert, but there is no reason to say it is silent just to perpetuate a meme or narrative. It simply isn’t true.
It has actually been a bit surprising to see some of the headlines tonight.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:39 pm to BallsEleven
quote:
C-130s don’t need runways baw!
Mostly C17s in theatre but both don’t due we’ll with large craters in the runways.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:39 pm to Open Your Eyes
So you asking about the pride flag--and me poo-poo-ing it--means I started a discussion about the pride flag?
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:39 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
That's still based on your feelings, whether you want to admit it or not.
You really need to stop equating logic/reason with “feelings”
They are entirely separate and are very often mutually exclusive
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:39 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
Who should have the right to vote, under our constitutional republic?
Income tax payers.
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:40 pm to Lynyrd
quote:
Days before Saigon fell, the Senate approved a measure authorizing Ford to use tens of millions of dollars to aid with an evacuation.
“It is merely a ransom,” Biden said, joining with other senators who opposed military aid to Vietnam but backed the emergency funding out of a worry that some of the South Vietnamese would be angry about being deserted by their ally and would need to be “bought off” to allow Americans to safely depart, according to news accounts at the time.
When Saigon did fall, Biden was reflective and struck a tone of hope.
“We now seem to be finally out of Vietnam,” Biden said to the Seattle Daily Times. “It seems to me we’ve learned an important lesson about careless military involvement abroad.”
Alice Crites contributed to this report
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:40 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:Thanks for the link.
LegendInMyMind
Posted on 8/15/21 at 8:42 pm to gallagherkck
quote:You do more than I do.
You really need to stop equating logic/reason with “feelings”
quote:Agreed
They are entirely separate and are very often mutually exclusive
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