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re: Taliban has taken Kabul. Terrorist attack at Airport at least 12 marines confirmed killed

Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:43 am to
Posted by dewster
Chicago
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:43 am to
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What other nations have some military personnel at the airport besides the US? Wasn’t a Mali soldier wounded



IDK about the airport, but there are other civilian and military forces that are presumed to be still on the ground.

France, Germany, UK, UAE, Turkey, Canada....just to name a few.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:44 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:44 am to
About that supposed pic of the schoolgirls yesterday:

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Those who are posting such things should be professional enough to share at least the actual situation of Kabul. I live in Kabul and I know that all schools, colleges are closed. There is complete silence on roads and streets and everyone is told to not leave their houses today.


That backs up what the article written by the Afghani law student said yesterday.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26617 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:45 am to
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Those who are posting such things should be professional enough to share at least the actual situation of Kabul. I live in Kabul and I know that all schools, colleges are closed. There is complete silence on roads and streets and everyone is told to not leave their houses today.


So if you are already at the airport, you might be okay once we secure the facility. If you aren't already there, you might be fricked.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:46 am
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:45 am to
I remember that. I was sick.

Here Is the Last Flight Out of Da Nang. 1975 Last Flight Out of Da Nang. 1975
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:45 am to
1,000% correct.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75783 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:47 am to
@haynesdeborah (Sky News Britain)

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BREAKING: UK is sending an extra 200 troops to Kabul to help with evacuation effort.
Numbers of UK armed forces personnel on the ground set to be around 900. This comprises around 100 already out there before the past week and 800 (up from 600) who’ve been urgently deployed in
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30047 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:47 am to
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can you further explain this? The afghan people would turn against the americans?


Absolutely! If they find out they were sold down the river they are going to be beyond furious. If you think the situation is chaotic on the ground now that will cause a total panic. These people will hijack planes and kill out soldiers who are evacuating out. Why in the hell even broadcast that as an option---I mean WTF are these idiots trying to do get everyone killed.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:47 am to
Anyone have an idea of how many Americans didn't make it to the airport due to the shelter in place order?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75783 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:48 am to
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So if you are already at the airport, you might be okay once we secure the facility. If you aren't already there, you might be fricked.

That's been the reality for ~24 hours now.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75783 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:49 am to
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Anyone have an idea of how many Americans didn't make it to the airport due to the shelter in place order?

No. Getting that number with this chaos is likely impossible. Even if it was known, they wouldn't tell you.
Posted by whitetiger1234
They/Them
Member since Oct 2016
6666 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:49 am to
Did anyone else see the video of the Afghans falling off of the plane to their death??

They hid on the plane in order to get out and it didn’t work so well…

Twitter
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75783 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:50 am to
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Absolutely! If they find out they were sold down the river they are going to be beyond furious. If you think the situation is chaotic on the ground now that will cause a total panic. These people will hijack planes and kill out soldiers who are evacuating out. Why in the hell even broadcast that as an option---I mean WTF are these idiots trying to do get everyone killed.


I've believed this is the biggest threat to our mission for a while now. The humanitarian aspect is a giant international relations clusterfrick with explosive potential.

It also reaches far beyond today. We are setting china up nicely in that region.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:51 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26617 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:51 am to
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That's been the reality for ~24 hours now.



Yeah this is going to get really bad, I'm afraid. And I doubt they are going to share any info to the general public on how they intend to get those people out of there.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75700 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:51 am to
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The humanitarian aspect is a giant international relations clusterfrick with explosive potential.


The UN will be along quickly to help us get this sorted.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:51 am to
Can you imagine the stress of keeping all US force members under tab? I know headcount or whatever you want to call it is priority number 1 in the military, but imagine if a US service member got left behind. Got some nervous butts somewhere.
Posted by PaperPaintball92
Fly Navy
Member since Aug 2010
5330 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:52 am to
Afghans cling to C-17

Thanks Joe! This is so sad and terrible.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26617 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:52 am to
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They hid on the plane in order to get out and it didn’t work so well…



They weren't hiding. There were a bunch of them that were literally grabbing onto the side of the plane and holding on for dear life. They wanted out of there that badly.

There is a very good twitter video of them trying to hang on to the sides of what looks like a USAF C-17. There just wasn't room for them on the inside.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 11:54 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75783 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:53 am to
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Can you imagine the stress of keeping all US force members under tab? I know headcount or whatever you want to call it is priority number 1 in the military, but imagine if a US service member got left behind. Got some nervous butts somewhere.

Particularly when you go from 2,500 troops in the entire country to around 7,000 in one city within the span of three days.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75700 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:53 am to
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It also reaches far beyond today. We are setting china up nicely in that region.


what are China’s interest in the area? Just a further power grab?
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
30047 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:54 am to
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We are setting china up nicely in that region.



Global Times: Afghan abandonment a lesson for Taiwan’s DPP: Global Times editorial


Here is China's message to Taiwan today

"In the past two decades, the Kabul government cost over 2,000 US soldiers, $2 trillion, and the majesty of the US against the "bandits." But how many lives of US troops and how many dollars would the US sacrifice for the island of Taiwan? After all, the US acknowledges that "there is but one China and that Taiwan is part of China." Will the US get more moral support from within and from the West if it fights for the secession of Taiwan than it did during the Afghan War?

The DPP authorities need to keep a sober head, and the secessionist forces should reserve the ability to wake up from their dreams. From what happened in Afghanistan, they should perceive that once a war breaks out in the Straits, the island's defense will collapse in hours and the US military won't come to help. As a result, the DPP authorities will quickly surrender, while some high-level officials may flee by plane.

The best choice for the DPP authorities is to avoid pushing the situation to that position. They need to change their course of bonding themselves to the anti-Chinese mainland chariot of the US. They should keep cross-Straits peace with political means, rather than acting as strategic pawns of the US and bear the bitter fruits of a war."
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