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re: Taliban has taken Kabul. Terrorist attack at Airport at least 12 marines confirmed killed

Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:23 am to
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:23 am to
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We’re in tyranny


The Twitter States of America and President Jack. Be sure to get some sleep so you can wake up in time for the job that you chose to make the money you use to buy all the food and goods that you prefer. The rest of the world is praying for you, victim of tyranny.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75777 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:24 am to
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Video of more humvees, trucks, troop carriers captured by Taliban.

Most all of that belonged to the warlord in Jalalabad.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:25 am
Posted by TchoupitoulasTiger
NOLA
Member since May 2011
1329 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:26 am to
Wall Street Journal Opinion

This pretty much nails it.
I’ll quote the piece for those that can’t get behind the pay wall.

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The President tries to duck responsibility for a calamitous withdrawal.


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Pres­i­dent Biden’s state­ment on Sat­ur­day wash­ing his hands of Af­ghanistan de­serves to go down as one of the most shame­ful in his­tory by a Com­man­der in Chief at such a mo­ment of Amer­i­can re­treat. As the Tal­iban closed in on Kabul, Mr. Biden sent a con­fir­ma­tion of U.S. aban­don­ment that ab­solved him­self of re­spon­si­bil­ity, de­flected blame to his pre­de­ces­sor, and more or less in­vited the Tal­iban to take over the coun­try.

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With that state­ment of ca­pit­u­la­tion, the Afghan mil­i­tary’s last re­sis­tance col­lapsed. Tal­iban fight­ers cap­tured Kabul, and Pres­i­dent Ashraf Ghani fled the coun­try while the U.S. fran­ti­cally tried to evac­u­ate Amer­i­cans. The ji­hadists the U.S. top­pled 20 years ago for shel­ter­ing Osama bin Laden will now fly their flag over the U.S. Em­bassy build­ing on the 20th an­niver­sary of 9/11.

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Our goal all along has been to of­fer con­struc­tive ad­vice to avoid this out­come. We crit­i­cizedDon­ald Trump’s deal with the Tal­iban and warned about the risks of his urge to with­draw in a rush, and we did the same for Mr. Biden. The Pres­i­dent’s ad­vis­ers of­fered an al­ter­na­tive, as did the Af­ghanistan Study Group. Mr. Biden, as al­ways too as­sured of his own for­eign-pol­icy acu­men, re­fused to lis­ten.

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Mr. Biden’s Sat­ur­day self-jus­ti­fi­ca­tion ex­em­pli­fies his right­eous dis­hon­esty. “One more year, or five more years, of U.S. mil­i­tary pres­ence would not have made a dif­fer­ence if the Afghan mil­i­tary can­not or will not hold its own coun­try,” Mr. Biden said. But the Afghans were will­ing to fight and take ca­su­al­ties with the sup­port of the U.S. and its NATO al­lies, es­pe­cially air power. A few thou­sand troops and con­trac­tors could have done the job and pre­vented this rout.

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Worse is his at­tempt to blame his de­ci­sions on Mr. Trump: “When I came to of­fice, I in­her­ited a deal cut by my pre­de­ces­sor—which he in­vited the Tal­iban to dis­cuss at Camp David on the eve of 9/11 of 2019—that left the Tal­iban in the strong­est po­si­tion mil­i­tar­ily since 2001 and im­posed a May 1, 2021 dead­line on U.S. forces. Shortly be­fore he left of­fice, he also drew U.S. forces down to a bare min­i­mum of 2,500. There­fore, when I be­came Pres­i­dent, I faced a choice—fol­low through on the deal, with a brief ex­ten­sion to get our forces and our al­lies’ forces out safely, or ramp up our pres­ence and send more Amer­i­can troops to fight once again in an­other coun­try’s civil con­flict.”

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Note that Mr. Biden is more crit­i­cal of his pre­de­ces­sor than he is of the Tal­iban. The Pres­i­dent has spent seven months os­ten­ta­tiously over­turn­ing one Trump pol­icy af­ter an­other on for­eign and do­mes­tic pol­icy. Yet he now claims Af­ghanistan pol­icy is the one he could do noth­ing about.

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This is a pa­thetic de­nial of his own agency, and it’s also a false choice. It’s as if Win­ston Churchill, with his troops sur­rounded at Dunkirk, had de­clared that Neville Cham­ber­lain got him into this mess and the British had al­ready fought too many wars on the Con­ti­nent.

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Mr. Trump’s with­drawal dead­line was a mis­take, but Mr. Biden could have ma­neu­vered around it. He knows this be­cause his Ad­min­is­tra­tion con­ducted an in­ter­nal pol­icy re­view that pro­vided him with op­tions. The Tal­iban had al­ready vi­o­lated its pledges un­der the deal. Mr. Biden could have main­tained the mod­est pres­ence his mil­i­tary and for­eign-pol­icy ad­vis­ers sug­gested. He could have de­cided to with­draw but done so based on con­di­tions on the ground while pre­paring the Afghans with a plan for tran­si­tion and air sup­port.

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In­stead he or­dered a rapid and to­tal with­drawal at the on­set of the an­nual fight­ing sea­son in time for the sym­bolic tar­get date of 9/11. Most of the Amer­i­can press at the time hailed his de­ci­sion as coura­geous.

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The re­sult a mere four months later is the worst U.S. hu­mil­i­a­tion since the fall of Saigon in 1975. The Tal­iban is say­ing it wants a “peace­ful trans­fer of power” in Kabul, but the scenes are still redo­lent of U.S. de­feat. The scram­ble to de­stroy clas­si­fied doc­u­ments. The he­li­copters evac­u­at­ing U.S. diplo­mats. The aban­don-ment into Tal­iban hands of valu­able U.S. mil­i­tary equip­ment.

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Worst of all is the plight of the Afghans who as­sisted the U.S. over two decades. Mr. Biden said Sat­ur­day that the 5,000 U.S. troops he is send­ing will help in evac­u­at­ing Afghans and Amer­i­cans. But there are thou­sands of trans­la­tors, their fam­i­lies, and other of­fi­cials who are in peril from Tal­iban rule and didn’t get out in time. (See nearby.) The Biden Ad­min­is­tra­tion was far too slow to get them out of the coun­try de­spite ur­gent warn­ings. The mur­der of these in­no­cents will com­pound the stain on the Biden Pres­i­dency.

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The consequences of all this will play out over many months and years, and none will be good. The illusion, indulged on the left and right, that the U.S. can avoid the world’s horrors while gardening its entitlement state, is sure to come home to haunt. Adversaries are taking Mr. Biden’s measure, and there will be more trouble ahead. The costs will be all the more painful because the ugliness of this surrender was so unnecessary.    
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
26511 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 am to
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Our ambassador was on the first plane out.


We only have a Chargé d’Affaires. I suppose he is "interim" Ambassador.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
71162 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:29 am to


Look at all these weapons left
LINK
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:32 am to
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The Twitter States of America and President Jack. Be sure to get some sleep so you can wake up in time for the job that you chose to make the money you use to buy all the food and goods that you prefer. The rest of the world is praying for you, victim of tyranny.


frick off. You’re one of those twats that would have ratted their neighbors to the Gestapo. Don’t cry crocodile tears when they frick you over in a few years.
Posted by Angry Bruce Pearl
Florida
Member since Jul 2020
599 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:35 am to
What's exactly going on at the airport? I've been following this all day and nobody will explain it. Is the embassy at the airport functioning? How many Americans or other westerners are there? Are we holding the airport? Is the Taliban letting us hold the airport? What's stopping Taliban fighters from showing up to the tarmac to fight? Can they shoot down departing planes?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63849 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:35 am to
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Note that Mr. Biden is more crit­i­cal of his pre­de­ces­sor than he is of the Tal­iban.
Ouch.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4731 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 am to
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Yes and the photo is of brave Afghan girls walking to school on the streets under Taliban rule. That was the point of the tweet.


I call bullshite! I went into that tweet and everyone on that thread called BS & fake news, from you know the actual people that live there. So much so, that they showed actual live footage of the chaos and carnage taking place and that picture is of girls going to school in the KSA.
Posted by Swoozie
Member since Jan 2021
1384 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:40 am to
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Nothing but military age males.

I sure hope the Taliban isn't smart enough to pull that off.

Although it is extremely suspicious that there are no females, children, or old people.

Could you imagine if US, Britain, and Germany fly several thousand jihadis to their countries only to have them open up snack bars for a 9/11 surprise party?

I admit this was my first thought after seeing those pictures and videos. I also wonder if it’s a similar makeup of people flooding the southern border.
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:41 am to
Good luck in your heroic battle with Jackito Mussolini.

Get a grip.
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
6191 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:42 am to
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Well that's pretty fascinating lol. Honestly never heard of it. What height do they observe from?


They have them monitoring our border with Mexico as well. Although I don't believe they have cameras but do have radar to find low flying airplanes trying to drop drugs across the border.
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
26511 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:44 am to
Pakistan/Afghan Border is more secure than the US/Mexico border.

frick. Us.



Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75777 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:44 am to
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. Is the embassy at the airport functioning?

Yes, along with the embassies of other nations.
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How many Americans or other westerners are there?

The initial number was set at 10,000 Americans. Some of those have been evacuated out of the country, but no word on how many. Britain, Canada, Germany, Australia, India, and others also have people being evacuated.
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Are we holding the airport?

Yes, from reports from the State Dept and DoD, we have gained control of the airport and that includes all operational aspects. We have a perimeter secured.
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Is the Taliban letting us hold the airport?

Essentially, yes, at least for the time being.
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What's stopping Taliban fighters from showing up to the tarmac to fight?

Essentially, their word, and fear of drawing the US and allies back into an immediate fight that would pressure them.
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Can they shoot down departing planes?

They could. They have the weaponry to do so. So far, they haven't.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:00 am
Posted by Vlatket
Member since Oct 2016
7475 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:47 am to
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Nothing but military age males.


That seems to be a theme for the cowards in the middle east. Same is happening with the migrants and Syrians flooding Europe. All military age that should be on the front lines fighting for their country. Instead they try to force themselves onto the west.
Posted by psychonAUt_tiger
Member since Aug 2021
97 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:49 am to
Are they (Taliban) really willing to risk such a blatant violation of the agreement with the state department by putting US forces at risk? I doubt it, personally.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75777 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:53 am to
Any NWO/WCW fans in this thread right now?
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
26511 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:54 am to
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What's exactly going on at the airport? I've been following this all day and nobody will explain it. Is the embassy at the airport functioning? How many Americans or other westerners are there? Are we holding the airport? Is the Taliban letting us hold the airport? What's stopping Taliban fighters from showing up to the tarmac to fight? Can they shoot down departing planes?



There is supposedly around 10K Americans at the airport. US/French/Other Embassies have moved to Kabul International. Non-American visas and getting folks who have helped the US (e.g. translators) out is currently a secondary objective.

The airport is a single runway airport and apparently it is being reserved for Americans only. Commercial Flights are shut down. Biden is sending about 6K troops to help secure. American troops have secured the perimeter.

American and Allies not at the airport are to stay-at-home. Taliban has said the war is over and wants a peaceful transfer of power. China already recognizes them. The US and 59 other countries released a joint statement stating that the Taliban shouldn't stop anyone from leaving the country, etc.

Folks are worried because the Taliban could revert to Sharia Law and could use mortars, stingers, and rush the airport if they wanted.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75777 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:57 am to
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Are they (Taliban) really willing to risk such a blatant violation of the agreement with the state department by putting US forces at risk? I doubt it, personally.

I don't think so, either. They've played the long game for 20 years, they're playing it now, too.

I believe the biggest threat to our mission is chaos at the airport with so many desperate people trying to leave. A riot could legitimately happen at any time.

There's also the chance of a few overzealous Taliban fighters kicking something off.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4731 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:57 am to
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You’re demonized for being a fricking moron and supporting the people that are directly responsible for the shite that happened today.


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