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re: Taliban has taken Kabul. Terrorist attack at Airport at least 12 marines confirmed killed
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:23 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:23 am to OMLandshark
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We’re in tyranny
The Twitter States of America and President Jack. Be sure to get some sleep so you can wake up in time for the job that you chose to make the money you use to buy all the food and goods that you prefer. The rest of the world is praying for you, victim of tyranny.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:24 am to The Pirate King
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Video of more humvees, trucks, troop carriers captured by Taliban.
Most all of that belonged to the warlord in Jalalabad.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:25 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:26 am to OMLandshark
Wall Street Journal Opinion
This pretty much nails it.
I’ll quote the piece for those that can’t get behind the pay wall.
This pretty much nails it.
I’ll quote the piece for those that can’t get behind the pay wall.
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The President tries to duck responsibility for a calamitous withdrawal.
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President Biden’s statement on Saturday washing his hands of Afghanistan deserves to go down as one of the most shameful in history by a Commander in Chief at such a moment of American retreat. As the Taliban closed in on Kabul, Mr. Biden sent a confirmation of U.S. abandonment that absolved himself of responsibility, deflected blame to his predecessor, and more or less invited the Taliban to take over the country.
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With that statement of capitulation, the Afghan military’s last resistance collapsed. Taliban fighters captured Kabul, and President Ashraf Ghani fled the country while the U.S. frantically tried to evacuate Americans. The jihadists the U.S. toppled 20 years ago for sheltering Osama bin Laden will now fly their flag over the U.S. Embassy building on the 20th anniversary of 9/11.
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Our goal all along has been to offer constructive advice to avoid this outcome. We criticizedDonald Trump’s deal with the Taliban and warned about the risks of his urge to withdraw in a rush, and we did the same for Mr. Biden. The President’s advisers offered an alternative, as did the Afghanistan Study Group. Mr. Biden, as always too assured of his own foreign-policy acumen, refused to listen.
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Mr. Biden’s Saturday self-justification exemplifies his righteous dishonesty. “One more year, or five more years, of U.S. military presence would not have made a difference if the Afghan military cannot or will not hold its own country,” Mr. Biden said. But the Afghans were willing to fight and take casualties with the support of the U.S. and its NATO allies, especially air power. A few thousand troops and contractors could have done the job and prevented this rout.
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Worse is his attempt to blame his decisions on Mr. Trump: “When I came to office, I inherited a deal cut by my predecessor—which he invited the Taliban to discuss at Camp David on the eve of 9/11 of 2019—that left the Taliban in the strongest position militarily since 2001 and imposed a May 1, 2021 deadline on U.S. forces. Shortly before he left office, he also drew U.S. forces down to a bare minimum of 2,500. Therefore, when I became President, I faced a choice—follow through on the deal, with a brief extension to get our forces and our allies’ forces out safely, or ramp up our presence and send more American troops to fight once again in another country’s civil conflict.”
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Note that Mr. Biden is more critical of his predecessor than he is of the Taliban. The President has spent seven months ostentatiously overturning one Trump policy after another on foreign and domestic policy. Yet he now claims Afghanistan policy is the one he could do nothing about.
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This is a pathetic denial of his own agency, and it’s also a false choice. It’s as if Winston Churchill, with his troops surrounded at Dunkirk, had declared that Neville Chamberlain got him into this mess and the British had already fought too many wars on the Continent.
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Mr. Trump’s withdrawal deadline was a mistake, but Mr. Biden could have maneuvered around it. He knows this because his Administration conducted an internal policy review that provided him with options. The Taliban had already violated its pledges under the deal. Mr. Biden could have maintained the modest presence his military and foreign-policy advisers suggested. He could have decided to withdraw but done so based on conditions on the ground while preparing the Afghans with a plan for transition and air support.
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Instead he ordered a rapid and total withdrawal at the onset of the annual fighting season in time for the symbolic target date of 9/11. Most of the American press at the time hailed his decision as courageous.
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The result a mere four months later is the worst U.S. humiliation since the fall of Saigon in 1975. The Taliban is saying it wants a “peaceful transfer of power” in Kabul, but the scenes are still redolent of U.S. defeat. The scramble to destroy classified documents. The helicopters evacuating U.S. diplomats. The abandon-ment into Taliban hands of valuable U.S. military equipment.
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Worst of all is the plight of the Afghans who assisted the U.S. over two decades. Mr. Biden said Saturday that the 5,000 U.S. troops he is sending will help in evacuating Afghans and Americans. But there are thousands of translators, their families, and other officials who are in peril from Taliban rule and didn’t get out in time. (See nearby.) The Biden Administration was far too slow to get them out of the country despite urgent warnings. The murder of these innocents will compound the stain on the Biden Presidency.
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The consequences of all this will play out over many months and years, and none will be good. The illusion, indulged on the left and right, that the U.S. can avoid the world’s horrors while gardening its entitlement state, is sure to come home to haunt. Adversaries are taking Mr. Biden’s measure, and there will be more trouble ahead. The costs will be all the more painful because the ugliness of this surrender was so unnecessary.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:27 am to BuckyCheese
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Our ambassador was on the first plane out.
We only have a Chargé d’Affaires. I suppose he is "interim" Ambassador.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:29 am to The Pirate King
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:32 am to psychonAUt_tiger
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The Twitter States of America and President Jack. Be sure to get some sleep so you can wake up in time for the job that you chose to make the money you use to buy all the food and goods that you prefer. The rest of the world is praying for you, victim of tyranny.
frick off. You’re one of those twats that would have ratted their neighbors to the Gestapo. Don’t cry crocodile tears when they frick you over in a few years.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:35 am to MrLSU
What's exactly going on at the airport? I've been following this all day and nobody will explain it. Is the embassy at the airport functioning? How many Americans or other westerners are there? Are we holding the airport? Is the Taliban letting us hold the airport? What's stopping Taliban fighters from showing up to the tarmac to fight? Can they shoot down departing planes?
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:35 am to TchoupitoulasTiger
quote:Ouch.
Note that Mr. Biden is more critical of his predecessor than he is of the Taliban.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:37 am to WDE24
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Yes and the photo is of brave Afghan girls walking to school on the streets under Taliban rule. That was the point of the tweet.
I call bullshite! I went into that tweet and everyone on that thread called BS & fake news, from you know the actual people that live there. So much so, that they showed actual live footage of the chaos and carnage taking place and that picture is of girls going to school in the KSA.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:40 am to Pisgah Pete
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Nothing but military age males.
I sure hope the Taliban isn't smart enough to pull that off.
Although it is extremely suspicious that there are no females, children, or old people.
Could you imagine if US, Britain, and Germany fly several thousand jihadis to their countries only to have them open up snack bars for a 9/11 surprise party?
I admit this was my first thought after seeing those pictures and videos. I also wonder if it’s a similar makeup of people flooding the southern border.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:41 am to OMLandshark
Good luck in your heroic battle with Jackito Mussolini.
Get a grip.
Get a grip.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:42 am to Sao
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Well that's pretty fascinating lol. Honestly never heard of it. What height do they observe from?
They have them monitoring our border with Mexico as well. Although I don't believe they have cameras but do have radar to find low flying airplanes trying to drop drugs across the border.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:44 am to Swoozie
Pakistan/Afghan Border is more secure than the US/Mexico border.
frick. Us.
frick. Us.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:44 am to Angry Bruce Pearl
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. Is the embassy at the airport functioning?
Yes, along with the embassies of other nations.
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How many Americans or other westerners are there?
The initial number was set at 10,000 Americans. Some of those have been evacuated out of the country, but no word on how many. Britain, Canada, Germany, Australia, India, and others also have people being evacuated.
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Are we holding the airport?
Yes, from reports from the State Dept and DoD, we have gained control of the airport and that includes all operational aspects. We have a perimeter secured.
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Is the Taliban letting us hold the airport?
Essentially, yes, at least for the time being.
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What's stopping Taliban fighters from showing up to the tarmac to fight?
Essentially, their word, and fear of drawing the US and allies back into an immediate fight that would pressure them.
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Can they shoot down departing planes?
They could. They have the weaponry to do so. So far, they haven't.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:00 am
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:47 am to Pisgah Pete
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Nothing but military age males.
That seems to be a theme for the cowards in the middle east. Same is happening with the migrants and Syrians flooding Europe. All military age that should be on the front lines fighting for their country. Instead they try to force themselves onto the west.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:49 am to LegendInMyMind
Are they (Taliban) really willing to risk such a blatant violation of the agreement with the state department by putting US forces at risk? I doubt it, personally.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:53 am to Vlatket
Any NWO/WCW fans in this thread right now?


Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:54 am to Angry Bruce Pearl
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What's exactly going on at the airport? I've been following this all day and nobody will explain it. Is the embassy at the airport functioning? How many Americans or other westerners are there? Are we holding the airport? Is the Taliban letting us hold the airport? What's stopping Taliban fighters from showing up to the tarmac to fight? Can they shoot down departing planes?
There is supposedly around 10K Americans at the airport. US/French/Other Embassies have moved to Kabul International. Non-American visas and getting folks who have helped the US (e.g. translators) out is currently a secondary objective.
The airport is a single runway airport and apparently it is being reserved for Americans only. Commercial Flights are shut down. Biden is sending about 6K troops to help secure. American troops have secured the perimeter.
American and Allies not at the airport are to stay-at-home. Taliban has said the war is over and wants a peaceful transfer of power. China already recognizes them. The US and 59 other countries released a joint statement stating that the Taliban shouldn't stop anyone from leaving the country, etc.
Folks are worried because the Taliban could revert to Sharia Law and could use mortars, stingers, and rush the airport if they wanted.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:57 am to psychonAUt_tiger
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Are they (Taliban) really willing to risk such a blatant violation of the agreement with the state department by putting US forces at risk? I doubt it, personally.
I don't think so, either. They've played the long game for 20 years, they're playing it now, too.
I believe the biggest threat to our mission is chaos at the airport with so many desperate people trying to leave. A riot could legitimately happen at any time.
There's also the chance of a few overzealous Taliban fighters kicking something off.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:57 am to Gravitiger
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You’re demonized for being a fricking moron and supporting the people that are directly responsible for the shite that happened today.

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