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re: Swedish study shows Vaccine Spike Protein Enters Nucleus

Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:40 am to
Posted by idsrdum
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:40 am to
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I'm skeptical they are prolonging anything, as the inverse situation of letting the virus run its course also carries with it the gigantic risk of mutation.


Notice on this CDC link that mutations exploded soon after mass vaccinations were introduced.

LINK
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:40 am to
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Because we were told repeatedly the vaccines are safe, not the spike in the vaccine is no more dangerous than the spike from the virus.



This study doesn't even address that except tangentially.
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:46 am to
Shocked YouTube is letting a video with the facts about this sinister vaccine stay up
Posted by Liberator
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Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:49 am to
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Notice on this CDC link that mutations exploded soon after mass vaccinations were introduced.


But...but....that's "misinformation", a "CT" and "anti-Science".

/s
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:50 am to
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while im not crazy4lsu it doesnt make any sense whatsoever that vaccines would be prolonging the pandemic. if the vaccines work then it reduces the potential reservoir and would shorten the course of the pandemic. If they dont work then there is no difference.


You couldnt be more wrong, a leaky vaccine ( what we have ) could have numerous serious consequences
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:59 am to
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Leaky vaccines work by enhancing host immunity to a particular pathogen, without necessarily blocking or slowing viral replication. The result is that infected but vaccinated individuals have extended survival, allowing highly virulent pathogen that would normally reach an evolutionary dead-end in a dead host, can transmit. The evolutionary consequences of high virulence are thus reduced and these pathogens can be selectively favored as a result of leaky vaccination. 


Cases, deaths and mutations have EXPLODED since the leaky vaccine was released
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:01 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:01 am to
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Notice on this CDC link that mutations exploded soon after mass vaccinations were introduced.


Contextualize this for me, because this isn't very surprising. RNA viruses mutate, and the expectation around having a vaccine program designed around the most pathogenic portion of the virus will lead to more mutations, but not all mutations are equal. A feature of these viruses is that during infection you cannot discretely define the genomic sequence, as it will exist as a range of sequences around a predominant sequence. So this doesn't reveal very much.
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:03 am to
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In an attempt to get your thread back on topic


TYFYS
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:04 am to
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theres a few more differences that might make a big difference.
supposedly the vaccine spike is in a locked configuration while the native COVID spike can alter its configuration in response to other proteins upon attaching to the membrane. the virus has several other proteins involved in cell entry which play major roles in the mechanism of entering the nucleus. the vaccine spike does not have these important proteins/enzymes. the spike is designed for cell membrance attachment, not invasion of the nucleus.


This probably why natural immunity is so much better.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:05 am to
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You didn’t go to college or a graduate program, did you?


A ton of people go to college and look where the world is.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
53704 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:06 am to
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Contextualize this for me, because this isn't very surprising. 


It certainly surprised the CDC and Fauci and all his ilk didn't it, the vaccine was going to "stop covid in its tracks"

You would agree that the vaccine is a very "leaky" one would you not?
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
624 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:08 am to
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it doesnt make any sense whatsoever that vaccines would be prolonging the pandemic. if the vaccines work then it reduces the potential reservoir and would shorten the course of the pandemic.

Geert Vanden Bossche (PhD Virology, worked on Ebola vaccine development at GAVI)
quote:

As increasing vaccination rates will result in a gradually expanding reservoir of asymptomatic viral spreaders, the benefit of reduced disease and hence, reduced viral shedding in vaccinated elderly (or otherwise vulnerable subjects) will be countered by enhanced spread and breeding of more infectious variants in the less vulnerable part of the population. The higher the vaccination rate, the more the latter effect will outweigh the benefit of vaccine-mediated reduction of immune pressure exerted by the vulnerable part of the population. Concomitant implementation of stringent infection prevention measures will merely delay but not prevent the vaccine-mediated impact of diminished Covid-19 morbidity rates in the elderly (or otherwise vulnerable subjects) on the evolution of the virus in younger and healthy subjects. The more younger and healthy age groups will be enrolled in these mass vaccination campaigns, the faster the predominantly circulating Sars-CoV-2 will evolve to more infectious, and ultimately vaccine-resistant variants.


LINK see FAQ 5 for quote

Hoping this guy is wrong but he is staking his reputation and it no one has stepped up for his open call at the WHO to scientifically debate his theory.
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:11 am to
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the faster the predominantly circulating Sars-CoV-2 will evolve to more infectious, and ultimately vaccine-resistant variants.


I would hate to see a vaccine resistant strain if this us the vaccine vulnerable one......

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:22 am to
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Swedish study shows Vaccine Spike Protein Enters Nucleus
FWIW, this isn't a particularly novel revelation. It also does not remotely implicate mRNA incorporation into the nucleus which comprises the major subject of fear for most folks in terms of "altering DNA".

This study examines patients with severe COVID–19 infections. Those patients have widely dispersed spike protein. That has been a known fact since Jan2020.

The author's odd extrapolation to "full–length spike–based vaccines" would be apropos if similar nuclear findings were present in mild infections, but the study did not arrive at that conclusion.
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Our findings provide evidence of the spike protein hijacking the DNA damage repair machinery and adaptive immune machinery in vitro. We propose a potential mechanism by which spike proteins may impair adaptive immunity by inhibiting DNA damage repair. Although no evidence has been published that SARS–CoV–2 can infect thymocytes or bone marrow lymphoid cells, our in vitro V(D)J reporter assay shows that the spike protein intensely impeded V(D)J recombination. Consistent with our results, clinical observations also show that the risk of severe illness or death with COVID–19 increases with age, especially older adults who are at the highest risk [22]. This may be because SARS–CoV–2 spike proteins can weaken the DNA repair system of older people and consequently impede V(D)J recombination and adaptive immunity. In contrast, our data provide valuable details on the involvement of spike protein subunits in DNA damage repair, indicating that full–length spike–based vaccines may inhibit the recombination of V(D)J in B cells, which is also consistent with a recent study that a full–length spike–based vaccine induced lower antibody titers compared to the RBD–based vaccine [28]. This suggests that the use of antigenic epitopes of the spike as a SARS–CoV–2 vaccine might be safer and more efficacious than the full–length spike. Taken together, we identified one of the potentially important mechanisms of SARS–CoV–2 suppression of the host adaptive immune machinery. Furthermore, our findings also imply a potential side effect of the full–length spike–based vaccine. This work will improve the understanding of COVID–19 pathogenesis and provide new strategies for designing more efficient and safer vaccines.
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This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:24 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79900 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:28 am to
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A ton of people go to college and look where the world is.
Like it has always been, full of conflict.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45535 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:31 am to
OP gets called out to see if he understands what he is posting. OP does not answer any of the questions asked, but responds with this.

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Listen smart asses. I know your All in and trust in GOD Pfizer and his son Jesus Fauci, but don't be smart with me, pricks.

When billions are on the line and there is absolutely no politically expedient way for anyone to acknowledge that mistakes have been made, then I pay attention to stuff like this



It is safe to assume that the OP does not understand what he is posting and has no idea what the f**k he is talking about.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:38 am to
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Like it has always been, full of conflict.


Yeah, the world is so educated now... human guinea pigs on a mass scale makes sense. All that is going on is a bunch of half-supported half-brain theories... which people now call Science. When the theory fails they just move on to the next one.

Let's remove everyone's kidneys and see what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqIJZeeXEc

This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:45 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79900 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:44 am to
How does that refute my point?
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:45 am to
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How does that refute my point?


You're points have been fubar for over a year.

Basically, you still trying to defend something... nobody on this Earth has any fricking clue as to what the effects are or will be.

Its called making up bullshite.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 9:48 am
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
624 posts
Posted on 11/21/21 at 9:49 am to
Well, you had said that letting virus run its course also carries with it the gigantic risk of mutation so doesn't the link showed that mass vaccination does as well?

Look, I'm just a nobody on tigerdroppings. If you want a challenge, why don't you check out Geert's theory in depth. I would love to hear you prove him wrong - because what he predicts is rather depressing.

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