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re: Supreme Court being formally asked to overturn Obergefell; gay marriage will fall
Posted on 8/13/25 at 5:38 am to Powerman
Posted on 8/13/25 at 5:38 am to Powerman
quote:I'm Christian and I thinks it's wrong, but getting bogged down in this when the world is falling apart makes this thing like not even in the top 100 things we need to fix in this country.
It's definitely part of the Christian faith. If they don't want to accept it, that's on them. But it can't be denied.
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:08 am to td01241
Let the whackos whack each other off. Focus on what matters, like ruling the entire NFA and GCA and FOPA unconstitutional.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:11 am to SlowFlowPro
I wouldn’t doubt the left is paying someone to push this issue. They desperately need a talking point for mid terms.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:38 am to wackatimesthree
The only stabilizing benefit of marriage that the state truly cares about is for taxation of property. As such they give deference to legitimate direct heirs of a union.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:39 am to jcaz
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I wouldn’t doubt the left is paying someone to push this issue. They desperately need a talking point for mid terms.
Is Kim Davis a leftist?
Why would the left need to pay someone to push this issue when many conservatives ITT are clamoring for it?
Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:39 am to FooManChoo
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We are all answerable to God for the decisions we make and why we make them.
Its retarded you want to sacrifice our nation because gays get married now.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:03 am to wackatimesthree
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I care that the divorce rate is so high because the research is very clear that children raised in a home without a biological father in the home are at great risk for sexual abuse (from Mommie's frick-buddies), and children raised in a home without any father figure at all are much, much, much more likely to: Drop out of school Commit crimes/Go to prison Get pregnant while still under 18 Commit suicide Become an addict/alcoholic Develop behavioral disorders Become a rapist (yep...look it up) Run away and become homeless And many, if not all of those line items either put my family at more risk or cost me more taxpayer money to support more people on welfare. Turns out, as long as I'm forced to personally financially suffer from the results of what adults do in the confines of their marriages (that mainly leads to destroying them), I'm going to care about what adults do in the confines of their marriages.
The data actually shows it’s not the absence of a father specifically that predicts worse outcomes — it’s the absence of a stable, two-parent household. Kids raised by same-sex couples do just as well on education, mental health, and behavior as kids with a mom and dad. If we want fewer single-parent homes and better outcomes for kids, marriage equality helps by allowing same-sex couples to provide the same stability and protection children need.
So if one sincerely cares about family stability and better outcomes for more kids, then one must see the benefit to society from marriage equality.
On divorce, recent studies show same sex marriages end in divorce at rates consistent with heterosexual marriages. There was a slight uptick in female same sex marriage divorce rates right after Obergefell, but that’s come back in line with the other rates.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:29 am to djsdawg
quote:This nation will rise and fall in the blink of an eye compared to eternity. Our lives here on earth are short.
Its retarded you want to sacrifice our nation because gays get married now.
As I said, we are all answerable to God for the decisions we make, and I'm not excluded from that. I will have to give an account before the Lord for why I voted the way I did, who I supported, and what I tolerated for the sake of peace and safety.
Just recall that the early Christians were killed because they wouldn't say "Caesar is lord" but only could say "Christ is Lord". What advice would you have given to them? Would you have said something like this? "Just say it. Why sacrifice your life, the support of your family who depends on you, and the peace of Rome for the sake of a couple of words?"
What may be minor in your eyes is major in the eyes of God, who is holy and righteously offended by sin.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 4:43 pm to ibldprplgld
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The data actually shows it’s not the absence of a father specifically that predicts worse outcomes — it’s the absence of a stable, two-parent household. Kids raised by same-sex couples do just as well on education, mental health, and behavior as kids with a mom and dad. If we want fewer single-parent homes and better outcomes for kids, marriage equality helps by allowing same-sex couples to provide the same stability and protection children need.
So if one sincerely cares about family stability and better outcomes for more kids, then one must see the benefit to society from marriage equality.
On divorce, recent studies show same sex marriages end in divorce at rates consistent with heterosexual marriages. There was a slight uptick in female same sex marriage divorce rates right after Obergefell, but that’s come back in line with the other rates.
That contradicts everything I have seen in terms of data, so no offense, but I would have to see it to believe it. There's a whole lot of activist "research" on this topic out there.
Got a link?
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:01 pm to wackatimesthree
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That contradicts everything I have seen in terms of data, so no offense, but I would have to see it to believe it. There's a whole lot of activist "research" on this topic out there. Got a link?
Sure do. Several. The Cornell link has over 70+ linked studies alone.
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A U.S. population-based study (National Survey of Children’s Health) found no meaningful differences in health, emotional or learning behaviors between children of same-sex vs. different-sex continuously coupled parents—even though same-sex parents reported slightly more parenting stress.
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A Netherlands administrative data study (covering the full population), which adjusts for socioeconomic variables, showed children raised by same-sex parents actually had higher test scores, higher high school graduation, and college enrollment.
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A 2016 study in the Journal of Developmental & Behavioral Pediatrics found that when same-sex female parents maintained stable family environments, their children had comparable health, emotional well-being, coping, and learning outcomes to those raised by different-sex parents
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Another study of Italian families found that children with gay or lesbian parents had similar psychological adjustment and prosocial behavior as those with heterosexual parents
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For instance, a comprehensive review of 79 scholarly studies found a strong consensus (in 75 of them) that children of same-sex parents experience “no differences” in outcomes compared to children of opposite-sex parents, with factors like family stability, parenting quality, and socioeconomic support being far more predictive of child success than parental sexual orientation
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A 2023 meta-analysis of 34 studies (with quantitative synthesis of 16) similarly concluded that family outcomes are generally comparable, with same-sex parent families even showing small advantages in areas like children’s psychological adjustment (standardized mean difference of -0.13, favoring same-sex families) and parent-child relationship quality (standardized mean difference of 0.13).
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The American Academy of Pediatrics, based on over 30 years of evidence including large-scale studies like the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, has affirmed that these children demonstrate resilience in social, psychological, and sexual health, emphasizing that legal and social supports (e.g., marriage equality) enhance family stability and child outcomes
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:25 pm to FooManChoo
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This nation will rise and fall in the blink of an eye compared to eternity. Our lives here on earth are short. As I said, we are all answerable to God for the decisions we make, and I'm not excluded from that. I will have to give an account before the Lord for why I voted the way I did, who I supported, and what I tolerated for the sake of peace and safety. Just recall that the early Christians were killed because they wouldn't say "Caesar is lord" but only could say "Christ is Lord". What advice would you have given to them? Would you have said something like this? "Just say it. Why sacrifice your life, the support of your family who depends on you, and the peace of Rome for the sake of a couple of words?" What may be minor in your eyes is major in the eyes of God, who is holy and righteously offended by sin.
It’s the weirdo religious right ideas like this that enables the left to do so much destruction
Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:58 pm to td01241
Kim Davis is a disgusting democrat. You faux conservative religious nutjobs never cease to amaze me.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:08 pm to djsdawg
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It’s the weirdo religious right ideas like this that enables the left to do so much destruction
Imagine if the middle 70% could just agree to ignore both the left 15% and right 15%.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:12 pm to ibldprplgld
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Sure do. Several.
Thanks for taking the time.
O.k., so before diving into this I feel like I need to clarify something.
The original question I responded to was why does someone else care about what other people do in their own marriages. And my answer applied to anybody in a marriage of any sex, not just same sex couples. Just for the record.
As to the studies:
1. The first and (I believe) the third link were to the same study. No problem, that stuff happens.
2. I saw basically what I expected to see. Most links were to meta-analyses which only re-state what the majority of articles say. Basically worthless in our context because unless someone is willing to run down each study, you don't know what the methodology is, which is the big question here. I did try to run down some of the Cornell studies and they don't take you back to the methodology used.
The field of psychology, which is obviously hugely philosophically biased (to the point that I would argue it is fatally compromised) when it comes to homosexuality/trans ideology, gets these results because they do these studies by letting parents or spouses self-report the "results" of the situation.
And just like I thought, every link I could trace back to the methodology used self-reporting. Phone call interviews, non-standard questionnaires and surveys, etc. The respondents know that they are filling something out that will either add to or subtract from the legitimacy of same-sex parenting, so the scientific problem with that methodology isn't hard to see.
3. The Netherlands study seems to have tracked hard data rather than self-reported completely subjective information, but unfortunately I couldn't follow the link to the methodology.
On the other hand, the studies that show that being raised by same sex parents don't fare as well as having a mom and a dad tend to track hard data or use standard measurement instruments.
Example: This one used the Strengths and Difficulties Questionnaire (SDQ) and the Kessler Scale of Psychological Distress (SPD). These are standard measurement tools. Children of same sex parents have more emotional distress
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:17 pm to td01241
It's fricking absurd to think that the Constitution addresses this issue. Another case of "we apparently misunderstood the document for over 200 years but now we've seen the light!" Should absolutely be overturned.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:39 pm to wackatimesthree
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Example: This one used the Strengths and Difficulties Questionnaire (SDQ) and the Kessler Scale of Psychological Distress (SPD). These are standard measurement tools. Children of same sex parents have more emotional distress
But even that linked article, there are wide criticisms of Sullins’ methodology, his own personal bias, and many notable issues with that publication’s peer review process.
Some of what I found:
The study does not verify how long children lived with same-sex parents or the stability of those households. Critics note that many children in the “same-sex parent” category may have experienced prior family disruptions (e.g., divorce from opposite-sex parents), confounding the results and making it impossible to attribute outcomes solely to same-sex parenting. For example, the NHIS data (1997–2013) only captures current household composition, not lifelong rearing, leading to potential misattribution of emotional problems to same-sex environments rather than instability.
Sample limitations: While the overall NHIS sample is large, the same-sex subgroup (512 children) includes potential misclassifications (e.g., data errors labeling opposite-sex couples as same-sex), and related Sullins papers have used even smaller subsamples (e.g., 20 cases), reducing reliability.
The study also combines all same-sex families into one group without differentiating by marriage status, duration, or type (e.g., adoptive vs. step-parent), while breaking opposite-sex families into subcategories for comparison.
Overstated causation: Titles and conclusions imply direct harm from same-sex parenting (e.g., “invisible victims”), but the data shows correlation, not causation. Factors like family breakup or abuse are not fully explored, and abuse sources (e.g., possibly from prior heterosexual parents) are unspecified.
The researcher, Sullins, is also criticized for potential bias:
Sullins, a Catholic priest and sociology professor at Catholic University, is affiliated with conservative organizations like the Ruth Institute and Family Research Council, which oppose same-sex marriage. Critics argue this introduces bias, with his work aiming to influence debates like U.S. marriage policy rather than purely science advancement.
But I do appreciate you taking the time to engage in good faith.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:40 pm to djsdawg
quote:I urge you to reconsider what you prioritize in this life.
It’s the weirdo religious right ideas like this that enables the left to do so much destruction
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and must turn from their sins by faith that Jesus will forgive them. If you do not trust in Jesus to pay the debt of sin that you owe, you will be paying it off yourself for eternity.
Run after forgiveness and salvation in Jesus Christ while it can be found.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 9:44 pm to ibldprplgld
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Kids raised by same-sex couples do just as well on education, mental health, and behavior as kids with a mom and dad.
bullshite, "studies" with cooked numbers like the BLS does with employment figures.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:17 pm to ibldprplgld
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But I do appreciate you taking the time to engage in good faith.
Of course. You as well.
If that particular study had methodological problems, then it wasn't a good example.
But it kind of proves my point as well that you were able to find so many criticisms of it. Because the studies that affirm same sex families do not tend to face such scrutiny, even when the data collection is one informal phone call without even using a validity-tested measurement tool.
As for the guy being biased, I'm sure that's true as well. But again, did anybody look up and post anything about the personal beliefs about any of the authors of the studies that affirmed rather than detracted from same sex families?
And if they did find that some of the researchers were avid gay rights supporters in their personal lives, would anyone have concluded that it invalidated their work?
I doubt it.
This research author might be biased, but he's one guy being biased. Not an entire field of study.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:46 pm to ibldprplgld
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The data actually shows it’s not the absence of a father specifically that predicts worse outcomes — it’s the absence of a stable, two-parent household. Kids raised by same-sex couples do just as well on education, mental health, and behavior as kids with a mom and dad. If we want fewer single-parent homes and better outcomes for kids, marriage equality helps by allowing same-sex couples to provide the same stability and protection children need.
The data collected and biased by the loons that fill the institutions that are funded to fake the research is meaningless.
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