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re: Supreme Court being formally asked to overturn Obergefell; gay marriage will fall
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:38 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:38 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The data collected and biased by the loons that fill the institutions that are funded to fake the research is meaningless.
Dismissing studies as fake just because they shred your opinion is weak. Your bias is showing, not theirs.
That’s no better than liberal’s “everyone I hate is Hitler” smear.
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 6:19 am to Azkiger
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Funny watching all the Christians who are adamantly opposed to a wall separating church and state now,
You really don’t know what you are talking about. Christians created the separation of church and state. Christians did not want a repeat of what happened in England in which the government controls the church. That would be a disaster. So Christians created, lobbied, and passed the separation of Church from state. This is a good thing for all religions in this country.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 6:59 am to ibldprplgld
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Dismissing studies as fake just because they shred your opinion is weak. Your bias is showing, not theirs.
If you're stupid enough to trust studies coming out of our trash institutions that's on you.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:19 am to Powerman
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I think that's about silly depending on what extreme you take it to. I
So what's an "extreme?" What makes it so?
You have to borrow from a Christian influence in a culture to even be able to think in such terms as "extreme?"
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I don't think we should be "nudging people to a religious belief system"
And once again, the myth of religious neutrality pokes its head out.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:22 am to Turbeauxdog
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If you're stupid enough to trust studies coming out of our trash institutions that's on you.
Your only point is a pathetic void, just a flimsy fallacy shielding your stubborn bias. Nice ad hominem—too bad it’s all you’ve got.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:23 am to ctiger69
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You really don’t know what you are talking about. Christians created the separation of church and state. Christians did not want a repeat of what happened in England in which the government controls the church. That would be a disaster. So Christians created, lobbied, and passed the separation of Church from state. This is a good thing for all religions in this country.
Then why push puritan laws like gay marriage bans?
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:There is disagreement in that wall of separation as well as how it would be applied in the civil sphere.
Then why push puritan laws like gay marriage bans?
I believe that the wall is to ensure that Church doesn’t wield the sword and the State doesn’t use the Keys of the Kingdom. The authority to “bind and loose” (church membership and excommunication) lives with the church officers alone, and the power of the sword of justice lives with the civil magistrate alone. There are other differences, but the separation is a recognition of different spheres of authority.
However, historical Protestantism has taught that, while separate authorities, the Church and State should work together for the spread of the gospel and the upholding of the moral law of God for the good of society and the blessing from God. The separation has never intended to make a secular state, from the Church’s point of view.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:48 am to FooManChoo
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There is disagreement in that wall of separation as well as how it would be applied in the civil sphere.
My spirituality is individual.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 7:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:While spirituality (within a Christian context) has an individual element to it, Christianity is not a private religion but a public one. There is a church, officers, sacraments, public worship, giving, ministering to the sick, public church discipline, and much more.
My spirituality is individual.
While salvation is individual in the sense that each person must grab hold of Christ, no individual Christian is saved into their own private religion. The Bible is clear that the Church is a covenant community, not many disconnected islands.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 9:25 am to ibldprplgld
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Your only point is a pathetic void, just a flimsy fallacy shielding your stubborn bias. Nice ad hominem—too bad it’s all you’ve got.
If you've been asleep for the last 10 years, it's not on me.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 9:32 am to ibldprplgld
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Dismissing studies as fake just because they shred your opinion is weak. Your bias is showing, not theirs. That’s no better than liberal’s “everyone I hate is Hitler” smear.
Do you know how many studies are fraudulent or misleading, biases? The numbers are shocking. Do a cursory search and you will see how many are false. When I hear someone site studies, a red flag goes up immediately. So many of them are biased and do not truly have a controlled setting for their findings. It is a major issue within the research community.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 10:04 am to aubie101
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Do you know how many studies are fraudulent or misleading, biases? The numbers are shocking. Do a cursory search and you will see how many are false. When I hear someone site studies, a red flag goes up immediately. So many of them are biased and do not truly have a controlled setting for their findings. It is a major issue within the research community.
Reality is destabilizing for weak minded and gullible men who built some of their self worth on the legitimacy of these institutions.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 10:09 am to aubie101
The poster you’re responding to is usually upfront in declaring how he’s an open gay but for some reason is hiding that in this thread, wonder why?
Posted on 8/14/25 at 10:24 am to aubie101
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Do you know how many studies are fraudulent or misleading, biases? The numbers are shocking. Do a cursory search and you will see how many are false. When I hear someone site studies, a red flag goes up immediately. So many of them are biased and do not truly have a controlled setting for their findings. It is a major issue within the research community.
I posted several links to studies above, outside of a duplicate link, one of them is a Cornell page with 70+ peer reviewed studies.
Feel free to look through them and indicate which ones you don’t like for methodology. I imagine all of them bc you simply don’t like the consensus findings.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 10:28 am to ibldprplgld
He isn’t exactly wrong.
I work in the field of research and teach at a university, there is a serious serious replication crisis in research and the peer review process has become a laughable joke.
You can still find good research but you have to do due diligence
I work in the field of research and teach at a university, there is a serious serious replication crisis in research and the peer review process has become a laughable joke.
You can still find good research but you have to do due diligence
Posted on 8/14/25 at 10:35 am to ibldprplgld
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peer reviewed
The "peers" are uniformly buffoons cowards and liars.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Only thing you destroyed is any credibility you had
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:13 am to Ham Malone
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The poster you’re responding to is usually upfront in declaring how he’s an open gay but for some reason is hiding that in this thread, wonder why?
And he accused me of bias ,
Posted on 8/14/25 at 1:34 pm to td01241
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He isn’t exactly wrong. I work in the field of research and teach at a university, there is a serious serious replication crisis in research and the peer review process has become a laughable joke. You can still find good research but you have to do due diligence
And that’d be fine had he not just summarily dismissed all of it because he doesn’t like the findings, instead preferring to lob ad hominems. There was nothing substantive in his critique.
That’s why I provided multiple studies from multiple sources, and as I said, the Cornell link alone has 70+ studies.
Some people refuse to assimilate any information that contradicts their bias. That’s his burden, not mine.
Posted on 8/14/25 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Then why push puritan laws like gay marriage bans?
Ehh, always wrong.
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From the World Policy Analysis Center, these countries do not legally recognize same-sex marriages or civil unions (though not all are constitutional bans):
Asia & Oceania: India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea), Fiji
Africa: Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Mauritania, Libya, Kenya, Uganda, Zambia, Tanzania, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Malawi, Zimbabwe
Caribbean / Americas: Honduras, Haiti, Guyana, Jamaica
Honduras explicitly bans it.
Europe: Georgia, Russia, Ukraine.
So you have Christian countries on the list, Muslim countries on the list, secular countries on the list and Hindu/Buddhist countries on the list.
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Countries with death penalty for same-sex sexual activity
Iran – Islamic law; death penalty can apply.
Saudi Arabia – Sharia law; can be applied.
Yemen – Sharia law; death penalty possible.
Sudan – Previously death penalty under some interpretations; legal reforms may vary by region.
Somalia (some regions, e.g., Puntland and Somaliland) – Sharia law; death penalty possible.
Mauritania – Death penalty under Sharia law for men; enforcement is rare but legally possible.
Afghanistan (Taliban-controlled areas) – strict Sharia law; death penalty reported.
Being gay is also illegal in Gaza.
This post was edited on 8/14/25 at 2:26 pm
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