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re: Study: All Humanity Comes From One Couple.................... You don't say

Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:06 pm to
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And?


That is a list of criteria for plants, re-read the bolded part.
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:09 pm to
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This is made up bullshite


I agree that you are making up your point, lets look at the skinny

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The change in life expectancy of mature men has not changed as dramatically over 3000 years as might be expected, although this data must of necessity refer to privileged members of society.


That's not the life expectancy of men, but the life expectancy of a person who managed to live to age 15.

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Date Life expectancy of women at 15 years (years) 1480–1679 48.2


So not only is the women's life expectacy lower (also only reaches back 600 years), but the child mortality rates would have been monsterous. Hell, even 100 years infant mortality rates were 10% and there are projections that show Ancient Egyptian infant mortality rates from that time period could have approached 50%

This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:15 pm to
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Your opinion is that his sons did not descend from Noah and his wife? I hate to tell you, but Noah's and his wife's children all descended from the same two people...


"He had sons and they had wives that survived the flood as well."



Typical Christian apologist, takes the most uncharitable and the easiest interpretation to argue against and pretends to have won the discussion.

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I think it's more likely the timelines presented by science are incorrect.


Ignoring what science thinks, you think that a global flood occurred around 2400 BC right? You'd have too if "you already knew the Bible to be true." You can trace Jesus' genealogy back to Noah, add up the ages when X begot X and figure out within a few decades when the flood must have occurred.

This should be fun.
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:16 pm to
The sun didn't remain a T Tauri for very long, less than 100 million and probably closer to 10 million years. By the time it was progressed to the current phase, the Earth still would have not been fully formed. Plants don't even show up with the trees/grasses stated in Genesis until >3 Billion years after the finish of the planet anyway. So the order of Genesis is still wrong.



This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:18 pm to
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myth. Like anyone was there to observe it




You must hate CSI.

"Uh, yea, sure the Luminol suggests that there was blood there at one point, but did anyone actually see blood there? Physics, chemistry, and really any scientific branch that conflicts with what some goat humpers wrote thousands of years ago is really shaky science."
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:19 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:21 pm to
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That is a list of criteria for plants, re-read the bolded part.


which is:

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and synthesizing nutrients in its leaves by photosynthesis using the green pigment chlorophyll.


And that does not require the light to be from the SUN.

That's been settled science for a LONG long time.

Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:22 pm to
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And that does not require the light to be from the SUN.

That's been settled science for a LONG long time.



The Sun was complete and working Billions of years before plant life showed up
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55614 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:25 pm to
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The sun didn't remain a T Tauri for very long, less than 100 million and probably closer to 10 million years.


That's a hell of a gap! FT posted a guy "disproving" the OP who didn't like gaps.

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By the time it was progressed to the current phase, the Earth still would have not been fully formed. Plants don't even show up with the trees/grasses stated in Genesis until >3 Billion years after the finish of the planet anyway. So the order of Genesis is still wrong.


Let's approach this differently...

Please post and link to your proof of this.


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:25 pm to
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You'd have too if "you already knew the Bible to be true."


Not only that, the Mesopotamian flood myths predate the Biblical version by a millennia, as the Atra-Hasis and Gilgamesh flood myths are dated to around 2000 BCE, and probably composed much earlier. It's almost a certainty that the Noah flood myth is based on the Gilgamesh flood myth.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28014 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:26 pm to
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It wasn't rain water, at all.


Doesn't matter. Most all marine life would have still died regardless. Try and manage a salt water aquarium and see how small swings in anything (ignore salt content), from ammonia to temperature will kill the fish.

Unless the water that came up from the earths crust was an exact copy of the water that was already present in the oceans (which I'm sure you'll argue just so you can keep on believing what a backwards bronze age tribe wrote thousands of years ago simply because you were born in a certain region of the world to Christian parents).

Also, brush up on how geysers work and you'll realize that you cannot have structures in place within the Earth to have that occur world wide to such an effect that you're raising the sea levels by hundreds (realistically thousands of feet but you'll again argue against that saying that "mountains back then were a lot shorter so we need less water").
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28014 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:29 pm to
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And that does not require the light to be from the SUN. That's been settled science for a LONG long time.


Prior to the sun, what light would the earth have had?
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:34 pm to
I don't have access to the full study, but here's the press release.

You're confusing me with a different person on the time gaps. I haven't had an issue with gaps, but rather what the gaps are in relation to.

Penn State

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on Earth by about 700 million years ago and land fungi by about 1,300 million years ago
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1761 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:34 pm to
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Prior to the sun, what light would the earth have had?



God obviously had fluorescent grow lights, bro.

Him being stoned af actually does explain why his creation is so goddamn weird and fricked up.

Checkmate atheists!
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28014 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:36 pm to
God damn, that's as water tight as a frog's arse.

I yield!
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34212 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:36 pm to
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predates your 6,000 year window

The 6,000 year window has nothing to do with when. The event was documented in a book that is older than 6,000 years.

Some guy, obviously bored, counted names in the Bible to get that 6,000 years. In fact, the Bible claims the opposite. The 6 days of creation cannot be 24 hour days, because the sun, which determines that time period, wasn't created until the 4th day. So a creation day is not remotely a 24 hour day. The Bible also clearly defines "a day"
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2 Peter 3:8–9: But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

So without knowing the span of creative time, 7 days could be 7,000 years, and at least 6,000 years of recorded history, means 13,000+ years in archaeological possibilities
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Agriculture developed in three distinct places

um, no.
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The Neolithic Revolution, also called the Agricultural Revolution, marked the transition in human history from small nomadic bands of hunter-gatherers to larger, agricultural settlements and early civilization. The Neolithic Revolution started around 10,000 B.C. in the Fertile Crescent, a boomerang-shaped region of the Middle East where humans first took up farming. Shortly after, Stone Age humans in other parts of the world also began to practice agriculture. Civilizations and cities grew out of the innovations of the Neolithic Revolution.

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I assume you mean history of writing.

again, nope
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A 'family tree' of languages adds weight to the theory that a large group of languages, including English, originated from the region that is now Turkey. Using techniques for tracing virus outbreaks to map the evolution of languages, the study published in Science suggests Indo-European languages emerged 4,000 years earlier from Anatolia.

Atkinson says the research provides insight into the development of our culture and adds weight to the theory that agriculture has been crucial in shaping the world's language and cultural diversity.

To compare the two theories, the researchers turned to a method used to trace virus outbreaks to find where the languages come from. "With a virus outbreak, you collect samples from around the world, extract DNA and work out how all the strains are related," says Atkinson. "We can do the same thing with language."

Just like species or viruses, languages evolve via descent and modification - so when a population splits into two, the language will begin to diverge as it's passed down and eventually change altogether. But, just like species, they retain common elements known as 'cognates', which are like the DNA of language, he explains. "Cognates are words that linguists can identify as being related due to common ancestry."

The researchers looked at cognates across 103 languages to construct the Indo-European family tree, then used their knowledge of where modern languages are spoken and the distribution of ancient languages to map the branches by space and time.

Studies are all beginning to converge on the reality that farming started in the fertile crescent and extended out from there. With it language, religion, and cultural diversity also branched off.

The 6,000+ year old Bible recorded the events leading up to that origin story. Hard to attribute that to just merely coincidence. It would be quite a bummer to die one day, only for science to later confirm that all DNA comes from a single family with Turkish origins (aka Noah). You cant base your beliefs on the ever changing theories of grant-funded scientists
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:40 pm to
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um, no.


You are 100% wrong about that. Read your own link. LINK

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Plant domestication: Cereals such as emmer wheat, einkorn wheat and barley were among the first crops domesticated by Neolithic farming communities in the Fertile Crescent. These early farmers also domesticated lentils, chickpeas, peas and flax. Domestication is the process by which farmers select for desirable traits by breeding successive generations of a plant or animal. Over time, a domestic species becomes different from its wild relative. Neolithic farmers selected for crops that harvested easily. Wild wheat, for instance, falls to the ground and shatters when it is ripe. Early humans bred for wheat that stayed on the stem for easier harvesting. Around the same time that farmers were beginning to sow wheat in the Fertile Crescent, people in Asia started to grow rice and millet. Scientists have discovered archaeological remnants of Stone Age rice paddies in Chinese swamps dating back at least 7,700 years. In Mexico, squash cultivation began about 10,000 years ago, while maize-like crops emerged around 9,000 years ago. Livestock: The first livestock were domesticated from animals that Neolithic humans hunted for meat. Domestic pigs were bred from wild boars, for instance, while goats came from the Persian ibex. The first farm animals also included sheep and cattle. These originated in Mesopotamia between 10,000 and 13,000 years ago. Water buffalo and yak were domesticated shortly after in China, India and Tibet. Draft animals including oxen, donkeys and camels appeared much later—around 4,000 B.C.—as humans developed trade routes for transporting goods.


Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6402 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:40 pm to
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The 6,000+ year old Bible recorded the events leading up to that origin story. Hard to attribute that to just merely coincidence. It would be quite a bummer to die one day, only for science to later confirm that all DNA comes from a single family with Turkish origins (aka Noah).


Here's the thing, We have already traced the lineage of man and it doesn't have a bottle neck 4500 years ago or in the time period of the neolithic revolution.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:42 pm to
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Studies are all beginning to converge on the reality that farming started in the fertile crescent and extended out from there. With it language, religion, and cultural diversity also branched off.



The study you link only discusses Indo-European languages. Even the Old Testament was written in a Semitic language, which has only the most tenuous connection to Indo-European languages. LINK
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34212 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:53 pm to
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The study you link only discusses Indo-European languages. Even the Old Testament was written in a Semitic language,

uh, the single source language would have been Semitic. The others would have diverged from there as humans migrated

Again, the Bible is written after these facts. So we don't know when the flood occurred, only that it was documented 6,000 years ago at first writing

Many cultures contain a flood, salvation story. Which also piggybacks off the studies that point to a probable Turkish origin, with people, places, events being shaped by a new culture as they migrated
Posted by Fourteen28
Member since Aug 2018
1156 posts
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:54 pm to
Laughing out loud at the old testament preachers.
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