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re: Strategies to win over more moderate democrats
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:50 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:50 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Focusing on social issues like Gender dysphoria is not going to win over moderate democrats.
Focusing on the freaks who want to push it on children will.
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:52 am to kywildcatfanone
Don't play nice anymore... ALL republicans (looking at you establishment fricks) need to portray the Democrats as the tyrannical communist fricks they are and highlight their soviet-model social engineering programs.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:53 am to I20goon
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Don't play nice anymore... ALL republicans (looking at you establishment fricks) need to portray the Democrats as the tyrannical communist fricks they are and highlight their soviet-model social engineering programs.
Yup. That will win over moderates tired of partisan extremism.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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And you run the risk of losing more traditional GOP types and moderate DEMs who are professionals than you gain with union baws.
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You think by harping on the asinine gender ideas of the left that you will lose traditional GOP? Yeah, not seeing that logic at all.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:54 am to Green Chili Tiger
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This is the correct answer. Definitely don't waste time trying to "win over" new voters. MAGA has enough real members to win this.
What percent of the US population is MAGA in your opinion?
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:55 am to Robin Masters
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You think by harping on the asinine gender ideas of the left that you will lose traditional GOP? Yeah, not seeing that logic at all.
The problem is only super moderate GOP types can do that effectively, like Youngkin. This is why 2022 was such a letdown coming off 2021. That demo flipped on the GOP b/c the GOP can't let MAGA types be the face of discussing social conservatism.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:57 am to kywildcatfanone
Trump needs to quit looking petty or revengeful. He needs to hammer these people on the border, inflation, law and order, and national security.
The differences are obvious.
Btw, you want to win votes, but if you discourage Dems from voting to lessen their turnout that works too.
When they debate show the opponent respect. Stay on target, issues. Don’t get into name calling. We need the Trump from the last debate.
The differences are obvious.
Btw, you want to win votes, but if you discourage Dems from voting to lessen their turnout that works too.
When they debate show the opponent respect. Stay on target, issues. Don’t get into name calling. We need the Trump from the last debate.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:those moderates have painted Trump as Hitler 2.0 and those moderates have bought it hook line and sinker.
Yup. That will win over moderates tired of partisan extremism.
You won't convince them otherwise. For decades our presidential elections have been "lesser evil" choices. People have voted for the less-worse candidates.
This is no different. Except the Dems have taken the divide to new extremes. The only way to counter it is to make the Dems look like the "greater evil". It is the same modus operandi as since Nixon... except we're on the fringes now. You have to be on the same field if you want to win the game.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:58 am to doubleb
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Trump needs to quit looking petty or revengeful.
Gonna need another candidate to accomplish this.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:03 am to TigerDoc
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Gonna need another candidate to accomplish this.
He needs to look in the mirror sometimes and realize that at times he’s his own worst enemy.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is only super moderate GOP types can do that effectively, like Youngkin. This is why 2022 was such a letdown coming off 2021. That demo flipped on the GOP b/c the GOP can't let MAGA types be the face of discussing social conservatism.
You don’t need to position it as being pro conservative values. It’s really not. It’s anti - child abuse and it’s an easy line in the sand. Things like an unwillingness to define a woman. Men competing in women’s sports. These are unifying issues that people from all background can and do find common ground on. Self proclaimed liberals with massive audience like Bill Maher and Joe Rogan all rail against these retarded ideas because, they are fricking retarded!
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:05 am to I20goon
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those moderates have painted Trump as Hitler 2.0 and those moderates have bought it hook line and sinker.
You won't convince them otherwise. For decades our presidential elections have been "lesser evil" choices. People have voted for the less-worse candidates.
This is no different. Except the Dems have taken the divide to new extremes. The only way to counter it is to make the Dems look like the "greater evil". It is the same modus operandi as since Nixon... except we're on the fringes now. You have to be on the same field if you want to win the game.
You can't win the EC without those moderates voting for Trump
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:06 am to I20goon
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Dems have taken the divide to new extremes.
Says the man, unironically, who just posted this
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ALL republicans (looking at you establishment fricks) need to portray the Democrats as the tyrannical communist fricks they are and highlight their soviet-model social engineering programs.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:08 am to doubleb
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He needs to look in the mirror sometimes and realize that at times he’s his own worst enemy.
Even after 8 years some people still don’t understand that the appeal of Trump is rooted in his willingness to be himself, warts and all. If he starts coming off like a polished product of a focus room he ceases to be effective.
For me personally I’m far more turned off by the phoney smileyglad hands and I think that is true of most Americans these days.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:08 am to Robin Masters
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These are unifying issues
Potentially, if presented by a social moderate.
Otherwise, you'll just open the door to abortion being a major talking point and the GOP will get slaughtered.
Moderate voters do not trust or want anti-abortion conservatives to lecture them about any other social issue.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:09 am to Robin Masters
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Even after 8 years some people still don’t understand that the appeal of Trump is rooted in his willingness to be himself, warts and all. If he starts coming off like a polished product of a focus room he ceases to be effective.
You're confused.
He can still be Trump, just not bad Trump (like this weekend).
He can still be Trump talking about the economy.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:09 am to kywildcatfanone
1. Make this election about the voters, families, workers and not about Trump and Kamala.
Remove the personalities that fuel identity politics and make it about having a better life.
2. Target the Democrat policies such a abortion, LGBT, and trans and take them head on is a very sensible approach. Your not going to sway the hard emboldened but you can sway the much larger group of voters who empathize with those issues.
Explain that abortion is better as a state issue than a federal issue. This is part of the whole less federal govt is better. Voters should wnt states to have the ability to have their own identity, culture, and life ideals. We should want states to be different from each other because that gives everyone options and makes it easier to adapt and change at the state level instead of the federal level. It's not just about abortion it's about a federal govt mandating person reference for the whole country. Banning affordable energy sources, mandating your healthcare choices, mandating the information you can access.
3. Life affordability needs to be hot hard. Funny tht Kamala ad is touting better jobs and better pay. It her current administration that has made everything unaffordable to many and forcing them to work 2nd and 3rd jobs.
Remove the personalities that fuel identity politics and make it about having a better life.
2. Target the Democrat policies such a abortion, LGBT, and trans and take them head on is a very sensible approach. Your not going to sway the hard emboldened but you can sway the much larger group of voters who empathize with those issues.
Explain that abortion is better as a state issue than a federal issue. This is part of the whole less federal govt is better. Voters should wnt states to have the ability to have their own identity, culture, and life ideals. We should want states to be different from each other because that gives everyone options and makes it easier to adapt and change at the state level instead of the federal level. It's not just about abortion it's about a federal govt mandating person reference for the whole country. Banning affordable energy sources, mandating your healthcare choices, mandating the information you can access.
3. Life affordability needs to be hot hard. Funny tht Kamala ad is touting better jobs and better pay. It her current administration that has made everything unaffordable to many and forcing them to work 2nd and 3rd jobs.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:10 am to kywildcatfanone
Quit with mean tweets.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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Moderate voters do not trust or want anti-abortion conservatives to lecture them about any other social issue.
Well no one wants to be lectured so I’m not sure this is a new thing.
Moderate voters are not pro abortion but I think they recognize it as a necessary evil. And I don’t think abortion is the winning issue you think for Dems. If it was so popular they wouldn’t have to call it reproductive rights.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:13 am to Robin Masters
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Even after 8 years some people still don’t understand that the appeal of Trump to his devoted followers is rooted in his willingness to be himself, warts and all.
Edited for accuracy.
We understand it, we just understand that it has a ceiling. Look at his approval and disapproval numbers; not everybody likes the schtick.
And it's not needed at this point, certainly not like it was in 2016. He has a record, his opponent has a record. The people who live to lick the sweat off his warts are already voting for him, so dialing it back is smart politics.
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