re: "Straight men can be attracted to trans women"

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So, understanding the difference between good and evil = spiritual death?

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I think participating in earthy pleasures and frivolities can separate the mind from the body. I've never taken the story literal, but I certainly see the symbolism.

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No such thing. You are either a man or a woman, no need to put an adjective in front of either.

I can look at a trans person and say, good job. I’m not banging them. I’m straight, not gay.

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So, Adam's spirit/soul died?

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Spiritual death is a way of describing the state of guilt before God that leads to everlasting death (never ending punishment in Hell called "the second death") as well as the state of the will that impacts the desire to trust God's promises, especially in terms of salvation. The New Testament often uses the picture of us being "dead" in our sins but being made "alive" with Christ, talking about our spiritual condition.

Adam began to die physical when he sinned. He still had work to do for God, but he was no longer able to live forever in peaceful communion with his maker. His days were numbered as soon as he sinned, as through sin, death entered the world.

Possible until they find out

Then no

That's a lot of words just to tell everyone that he's a fág that prefers his boys in dresses.

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No, moron. Adam was never immortal, meaning he was alway going to die.

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He was created with an immortal soul (it wasn't inherently immortal but ordained to be immortal by God's purpose). Whether his body was capable of dying or not, he would not have died had he obeyed God's commands. The stipulation given to Adam is often times called "the covenant of works" or "the covenant of life", wherein God promises blessings and curses depending on obedience. If Adam had obeyed God, he would have lived forever as God would have sustained his life indefinitely. Death was a curse because of Adam's disobedience. This is reversed in the covenant of grace, whereby God promises everlasting life through the perfect obedience of Jesus Christ, received by faith. Everlasting life isn't simply spiritual (though those who trust in this promise of life through Christ will be spiritually alive forever), but will also result in a physical life that is everlasting after the return of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead in glorified bodies.

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He had to eat something. If he didn’t eat, he would die. If he ate from the tree of knowledge, he would die that very day (of course that was a lie). Had he eaten from the tree of life, he would have become immortal, which is the very reason given as to why god kicked him out of the garden.

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Again, Adam would have had everlasting life had he obeyed God. Death was a punishment for sin, and as the New Testament explains, death came into the world through sin. Death is not a natural part of life in this sense, but unnatural, as life was intended to continue prior to sin. It was sin that brought death into the world.

I believe that the reason why Adam was forbidden from eating the fruit of the tree of life after his sin is because he would live forever as a fallen creature. God had a better plan in place through the promise of the seed of the woman who would crush the head of the serpent: Jesus Christ, who would defeat Satan and death itself. God's elect will die (at least those who do not live until the return of Christ) and their spirits will reside with Christ in paradise until the resurrection, where their bodies and souls will be reunited again for eternity.

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Death is death to the writers of the Bible. There was no such thing - no concept of spiritual death being different than physical death. Those are retard arguments conjured from your retard buddies who lack the capability of reading comprehension and critical thought. The concept of spiritual death as an apology for God’s lie is pure horseshitee, and is an idea that you have added that is not in the scripture.

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Humans are body and souls/spirits. It's why Christ's resurrection was the "first fruits" of those who die in the Lord. We will one day be reunited with our bodies. The Bible doesn't teach Gnosticism, as you think it does, where the body is some dirty and impure shell that is to be discarded to attain the glory of the spiritual state.

The whole Bible is to be understood in the light of covenants. God made covenants with Adam, Noah, Moses, David, and so on. There is the covenant of works that all men are under by nature, and the covenant of grace, which man enters into through God's gracious acts of mercy towards mankind in salvation. Adam received both of these covenants, as he was under the covenant of works (which he disobeyed) and was given the covenant of grace for salvation after he sinned.

There are entire books written on this topic that shows just how much the Scriptures are saturated in covenants. I'm not making this up. The Christ of the Covenants by O. Palmer Robertson is a great book if you want a place to start.

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The spirit was the life force. Upon death, the person gave up the spirit. You are so dense that you can’t even grasp that concept.

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Again, the body and the spirit were created together and were meant to be together. That's why there will one day be a resurrection of the dead with renewed bodies that will be joined with our souls forever, some to eternal life and bliss with God, and others to eternal torment.

This is why I've emphasized both spiritual and physical death. Paul talks abut both in his treatise in Romans.

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Matthew 27:50

Are you going to argue that Jesus died spiritually that day?

Obviously you can’t admit Jesus giving up his spirit was a physical death, because that would contradict your ridiculous argument of Adam’s non-death.

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I would find it absolutely astonishing how badly you miss the points of the Scriptures when you quote them if I didn't believe it were true when it says that these things a spiritually discerned and that the natural man (someone like you, whom God has not made spiritually alive by the Holy Spirit) cannot understand these things. You just don't get it, but I'll continue to try to be patient with you.

Of course Matthew 27 is talking about Jesus' physical death. His spirit leaving His body is exactly what physical death is. When any person dies, their soul/spirit leaves their body to reside in Hades or Paradise, awaiting the reunion with their bodies in the age to come.

Spiritual death is euphemistic in the sense that the soul doesn't die like the body does. The body ceases to be, ceases to work and function, and experiences decay and corruption. The body experiences separation from the soul. The soul doesn't "die" in the same way, but is immortal, living on forever. Spiritual death, then, is the state of separation from God as the body is separated from the soul in physical death. This is seen when Adam and Eve tried to hide (separate) from God after they sinned. When the Bible talks about us being (presently) "dead" in our trespasses and sins, it's talking about our spiritual death and separation from God. In eternity, those who die apart from Christ will be separated from God's love and mercy forever, and that is the "second death"

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Spiritual death is a way of describing the state of guilt before God that leads to everlasting death (never ending punishment in Hell called "the second death") as well as the state of the will that impacts the desire to trust God's promises, especially in terms of salvation. The New Testament often uses the picture of us being "dead" in our sins but being made "alive" with Christ, talking about our spiritual condition.

Adam began to die physical when he sinned. He still had work to do for God, but he was no longer able to live forever in peaceful communion with his maker. His days were numbered as soon as he sinned, as through sin, death entered the world.

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Are there any other instances in the Bible where death = "the state of guilt before God that leads to everlasting death (Hell)"?

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Are there any other instances in the Bible where death = "the state of guilt before God that leads to everlasting death (Hell)"?

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Death is talked about in terms of spiritual death (as described) and physical death of the body. It's not just one or the other.

1 John 3:11-15 talks about passing out of death to life in the present tense, written to people who have not died physically. It's talking about spiritual death and spiritual life in that sense.

In Romans 6, Paul talks about the living moving from death to life, regarding their spiritual state.

In Ephesians 2, Paul again talks about being "dead" in our sins but made alive through Christ. He, again, was talking to living human beings who had not presently been raised bodily from the dead.

Colossians 2, also speaks of this same theme, of being raised (spiritually) from death to life.

Matthew 7 is an example where Jesus talks about the Kingdom (salvation/eternal life) where many will be denied, being removed from Christ's presence (in Hell). Likewise in Matthew 25, Jesus talks about those at the final judgement that will cast away into Hell who did not belong to Christ.

The final judgement where those who were dead in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire is called "the second death" (Rev. 2; 20; 21), which is the eternal place of torment where the guilty before God (those who have not received the pardon of God through the sacrifice and propitiation of Jesus Christ the mediator) will suffer for eternity.

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He was created with an immortal soul (it wasn't inherently immortal but ordained to be immortal by God's purpose). Whether his body was capable of dying or not, he would not have died had he obeyed God's commands.

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You love to fabricate delusions out of thin air to explain away God’s lie. Focus on your quiet that I bolded. You made that up. There’s no basis in scripture for it.

What do we actually know from scripture? Adam needed to eat, else he would die. We know Adam had never eaten from the tree of life, else he would have been immortal. We know that “spirit” was literally the breath of life. No more spirit = dead. We know God lied. Adam didn’t die that very day he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge, but rather lived another 900+ years. We know that when Jesus died “in spirit” it was a physical death. We know Adam didn’t die “in spirit” when he ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

Side note: Why was god such a dick? He created a man who didn’t know right from wrong, and then punished him when he could not have been responsible for his actions. Imagine getting a brand new puppy, putting a fried chicken leg on the coffee table saying “now dog, don’t you eat that chicken leg.” And then leaving the house. Then upon return, abandoning the puppy outside forever because it ate the chicken leg you told it not to eat. Maybe you could’ve put the chicken leg in the fridge? Similarly, couldn’t god have simply put a force field around that tree, or made it invisible or hidden it somewhere else? Why did god need a tree of knowledge? Doesn’t god already know right from wrong?

Obviously even the religious folks knew not to take this story literally - it was an allegory. It was never meant to be taken literally, as it would be a very stupid literal story. Whether literal or allegorical, God did lie to Adam. You can argue he lied to Adam for his own good maybe, but he still lied.

Genesis 2-3 was an allegory for the reforms that were happening in the 600-500BCE timeframe. The Jews worshipped the father (El Elyon, the god of Abraham and Melchizedek), one of his sons (Yahweh, the LORD god), and the mother (Asherah, the queen of heaven, lady wisdom, the Holy Spirit). The Deuteronomic reform comes along and the temple priests (backed by king Cyrus the Zoroastrian of Persia and Babylon) try to make the people worship only one or their many gods. In the text, Yahweh claims he is the only god worthy of their worship, but doesn’t deny the existence of others. “Beside me there is no other” means there are no gods comparable to Yahweh, not that others don’t exist. “Do not worship other gods or serve them” isn’t a denial of the other gods’ existence.

The allegory was inserted into genesis by a scribe, probably a priest, loyal to the religious practices of the pre-reform religion. In the allegory, Adam represents the first temple priests. Adam eats from the tree of knowledge (metaphor for worship of Asherah). Adam gets kicked out the garden - the garden represents the temple of Jerusalem.

I’m not responding to all the other gibberish you posted which isn’t even based on scripture, but on your own imagination. Obviously none of this stuff really happened anyway. If you knew anything at all about modern theories, like evolution, you would reject Genesis completely. If you knew any history, you’d realize most of the genesis stories are plagiarized from much older Sumerian myths called the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh.

What is a scientific theory?

It’s an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that can be repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

Evolution is not “just a theory” in the sense of a guess or a hunch. A scientific theory is an explanation of the natural word based on evidence and facts that hasn’t been proven wrong. Evolution is the foundation of modern biology. You all just witnessed evolution over the last couple of years when Covid-19 turned into alpha, the delta, then omicron…